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Interestingly, if you root around in one of ol' Brad's books, you find perhaps a hint as to why he liked that Randall. Looks like he preferred his sharpened in classic Scandanavian fashion. I'm given to understand that some people here are known to go on fairly extensively about how terrible this grind is and how wasteful it is to sharpen a knife in this style but apparently Angier liked it and cited Bo Randall in his book:

"A NEW CONCEPT IN SHARPENING." If you want a professional edge, and have the time and patience to achieve it, " adds Bo Randall, "here's a method of sharpening you may prefer.

"Follow previous directions, but lay the blade flat and hone it until it is brought to a true razor edge, and light reflection on the cutting edge is no longer discernible. Such a razor-like edge will not hold up under use, it should be strengthened by a few final sweeps across the hone on each side, with the blade held at a high angle (about 60 degrees). This will leave a minute, edge-holding bevel that can hardly be seen with the naked eye.

"This method will, of course, leave hone markes across the blade bevel. In order to restore a fine finish, it is then necessary to polish the blade by rubbing it with emery cloth, starting with a medium grit, finishing with 600 grit, and following this with crocus cloth to attain the final polish."
 
Jackdaw said:
Interestingly, if you root around in one of ol' Brad's books, you find perhaps a hint as to why he liked that Randall. Looks like he preferred his sharpened in classic Scandanavian fashion.
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Accepting the first sentence, how does the second sentence follow? Surely, it is not necessary to have a Randall if you want the so-called "Scandi" grind.

Maybe he just liked O-1 run fairly soft.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Accepting the first sentence, how does the second sentence follow? Surely, it is not necessary to have a Randall if you want the so-called "Scandi" grind.

Maybe he just liked O-1 run fairly soft.
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Apparently you did not read the other quotes I posted from his books on his comments about chisel edges and thick blades. Do you really want to argue that Bradford Angier liked thick prybar blades or do you just want to argue for the hell of it? Have you read his books? Do you really think he put that long quote in there from Bo Randall just for the hell of it? I mean, I don't understand what point you are trying to make? That he liked carbon steel? I'll sure give ya that one. Lots of old timers liked carbon steel because stainless did not have the greatest reputation for a variety of reasons. But I think you are really saying your prayers to the prybaby god if you are arguing than Angier was a fan of thick blades with fat secondary bevels. The Randall he used had a high bevel on it and it's evident from his writings that he sharpened it to zero edge and then just put a hint of a secondary bevel on it. Or are you saying that any ol' Randall ground any ol' way would have suited him just fine, as long as it was a Randall carbon knife? By what reasoning or evidence would you base this on?
 
Jackdaw said:
Apparently you did not read the other quotes I posted from his books on his comments about chisel edges and thick blades. Do you really want to argue that Bradford Angier liked thick prybar blades or do you just want to argue for the hell of it? Have you read his books? Do you really think he put that long quote in there from Bo Randall just for the hell of it? I mean, I don't understand what point you are trying to make? That he liked carbon steel? I'll sure give ya that one. Lots of old timers liked carbon steel because stainless did not have the greatest reputation for a variety of reasons. But I think you are really saying your prayers to the prybaby god if you are arguing than Angier was a fan of thick blades with fat secondary bevels. The Randall he used had a high bevel on it and it's evident from his writings that he sharpened it to zero edge and then just put a hint of a secondary bevel on it. Or are you saying that any ol' Randall ground any ol' way would have suited him just fine, as long as it was a Randall carbon knife? By what reasoning or evidence would you base this on?
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Sir, I read you quotes.

Did you read my brief question that you quote?

I merely asked why a liking for "Scandi" edges has any bearing on why BA liked Randalls. I see no necessary link. Few Randalls -- if any -- were made with "Scandi" grinds and certainly the vast bulk of knives made with "Scandi" grinds were not Randalls. But I am sure that you know those facts. Therefore, a fondness for the "Scandi" grind would not explain a liking for Randalls. Many other factors might explain that liking, such as overall F&F and ease of sharpening in the field due to the typical Randall RC.

I would also observe that your implication that any edge not a "Scandi" edge is therefore "thick" or has a "fat" secondary bevel is not accurate. To mention only a few current producers, Bark River, IIsaakki, Wilsion, Loveless, Spyderco, Reeve, and Dozier produce knives with admirably thin edges that are not "Scandi" ground.

I am not familiar with the "prybaby god," but I am sure he has devotees at BladeForums. Nothing I said can be fairly tortured into an advocacy of thick edged knives with fat secondary bevels. Personnaly, I like thinner edges with convex edges. That, I suppose, means I pray to the Emaciated Curved God.

And yes, I read his books and own most of them.
 
Thomas Linton said:
I am not familiar with the "prybaby god," but I am sure he has devotees at BladeForums.
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Part of that cult I am guilty as charged. Aim to convert as many as possible before I go to. ;)

SKam
 
longbow50 said:
Ebbtide, tell us about your trio in the photo. In particular, the double bit. :D
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The little double bit was purchased from MS PJ Tomes on his fall visit to NYC last year.
It is cast D2. I haven't chopped any 6' trees with it, used it in the yard and general mucking around. So far, so good.
I will concede the fact that the double bits are a good deal more dangerous and demand alot of undivided attention.
 
Absolutely more dangerous. Thanks for the reply, you got a good lookin axe there.

I've thought about a small double bit and just couldn't justify it yet. Very little axe experience here, so as my first quality (I think) axe, I just ordered a Wetterling Large Hunter. I figure that if I don't cut any parts of my body off by the time I'm good with this one, I'll be ready for a double. :D
 
Thomas Linton said:
Sir, I read you quotes.

Did you read my brief question that you quote?

I merely asked why a liking for "Scandi" edges has any bearing on why BA liked Randalls. I see no necessary link. Few Randalls -- if any -- were made with "Scandi" grinds and certainly the vast bulk of knives made with "Scandi" grinds were not Randalls. But I am sure that you know those facts. Therefore, a fondness for the "Scandi" grind would not explain a liking for Randalls. Many other factors might explain that liking, such as overall F&F and ease of sharpening in the field due to the typical Randall RC.

I would also observe that your implication that any edge not a "Scandi" edge is therefore "thick" or has a "fat" secondary bevel is not accurate. To mention only a few current producers, Bark River, IIsaakki, Wilsion, Loveless, Spyderco, Reeve, and Dozier produce knives with admirably thin edges that are not "Scandi" ground.

I am not familiar with the "prybaby god," but I am sure he has devotees at BladeForums. Nothing I said can be fairly tortured into an advocacy of thick edged knives with fat secondary bevels. Personnaly, I like thinner edges with convex edges. That, I suppose, means I pray to the Emaciated Curved God.

And yes, I read his books and own most of them.
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Thomas, I'm sure you are right because guys like you are always right.
 
Seems the natives have been restless lately. I don't know about anyone else, but I feel that arguments online are kind of pointless and are certainly counter productive to the forum. We've already heard from newcomers stating that they were a bit hesitant to chime in because of the hostility being displayed here and even though I'm not a mod, I for one would like to see counter productive displays in threads come to an end.
 
+1 Longbow, you'd think the lives of our firstborn were on the line here. Mac
 
I think if people on the forums looked at the ideas here more like window shopping there would be less arguments. Simply tell everyone your idea (display the item) then after all has been displayed leave it for the individual readers to figure out them selves essentially go in and try the item out.

If there are two people make apposing points you can realy on me to figure it out for myself.

If you have a hard time with people having opposing ideas to your own life is going to long and difficult.

That being said maturity when reffering to the other persons apposing view is exactly that maturity.

Abe
 
Message To Jackdaw:

Right Now, You Sound To Me Like An Anonymous Troll Newbie. If You Even Get Close To Insulting Other Members With The 'prybaby God" Crap Again, You Are Outta Here, Period. There Will Be No Second Warning, It Will Proceed To An Immediate Banning.
 
I don't see what the argument is about. The Randall Model 5 "Camp and Trail Knife" came with a Saber grind as did many Randall knives. If you go to Randall's Knifesharpening page it describes a couple ways to sharpen a knife, one being a Scandi edge although they don't call it that.
On an extremely dull blade with a thickened edge, place the blade flat on a coarse hone and restore the original blade bevels (Figure 1); then attain the final cutting edge (Figure 2) with a fine-grit hone.
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Double bit axes -- Love 'em, have more than a few. They have better balance and you can have two different edges depending on what needs to be cut. A logger I worked with had his double bit with one edge sharp for limbing and the other totally dull for knocking out wedges. Double bit axes are very versatile.
 
longbow50 said:
Seems the natives have been restless lately. I don't know about anyone else, but I feel that arguments online are kind of pointless and are certainly counter productive to the forum. We've already heard from newcomers stating that they were a bit hesitant to chime in because of the hostility being displayed here and even though I'm not a mod, I for one would like to see counter productive displays in threads come to an end.
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The problem is, most of the hostility is coming from other newbies. For years we had a forum with almost zero hostility. All it takes is one person to stir it up, and others respond....

~B.
 
canranger said:
I think if people on the forums looked at the ideas here more like window shopping there would be less arguments. Simply tell everyone your idea (display the item) then after all has been displayed leave it for the individual readers to figure out them selves essentially go in and try the item out.

Abe
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Abe, a large book of information on outdoor gear that I read years ago had a warning that went something like this:

"Every opinion in this book is prejudiced to some extent by the personal experience of the author of that opinion, including my opinions."

A wise man.
 
Thomas Linton said:
"Every opinion in this book is prejudiced to some extent by the personal experience of the author of that opinion, including my opinions."

A wise man.
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I like that quote it is so true and the fact of the mater if the person recognizes this they are more likely to give one of the best thought out opinions because they recognize their own tendencey to be prejudice.

I haven't been around the forum for a while I was getting a little tired of the my ideas my items are better then yours fights so I took a repose.

One of the things I always liked about canoeing with different canoeists was the showing of what gear I bring and I have always looked at this in the same way an opportunity to share.

Shame we can't do this some times with out a fight mind you if some one spears me for an idea I have I am likely to take it personaly too.

Abe
 
canranger said:
One of the things I always liked about canoeing with different canoeists was the showing of what gear I bring and I have always looked at this in the same way an opportunity to share.

Shame we can't do this some times with out a fight mind you if some one spears me for an idea I have I am likely to take it personaly too.

Abe
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Your right on abe, :thumbup: it's a shame people have to act like this on the forums. :(

Ron M
 
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