Building Walls

What the upscale population of Silicon Valley want is of no concern to me. How many politicians get busted with illegal housekeepers?

Sure is true that business keeps going while illegals are controversial.

OK, I'll add that to my guest worker program; companies found in Deliberate non compliance by hiring undocumented workers are to be heavily fined.


munk
 
it goes deeper than that.
Companies arent just hiring illegals to save money. They are sending jobs overseas as well.
People are thinking about lower prices as the benefit.
They dont seem to be seeing the jobs themselves as commodities to be preserved.
 
Ad Astra said:
...Hadrians's wall?...
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hadrian's wall worked rather well for a few centuries.

1. it was never intended to 'keep the scots out' - it was an economic control device.

a. besides giving the troops something to do, it defined the limit of the empire whose further expansion was deemed too costly to continue.

b. it had gates every mile or so with a few troops at each gate (too few to prevent a concerted break-thru), major gates every 10 miles or so. these were economic control points in that they were there to deliberately let the barbarians in/out for trade (and to tax them & charge a toll.) and to funnel them to the gates where they could enter/leave on approved business.

they only failed when the govt. could no longer afford to keep paying the troops stationed on the wall, liberal welfare policies in rome where all voters were 'bought' by distribution of foodstuffs and entertainment being the major expense that caused the liberal cutbacks of unnecessary troops (after all, they were at peace, who needs troops).

as long as the troops were there it was easier for the barbarians to pay their taxes and tolls to trade thru it than to take a chance at smuggling & getting caught or fighting thru it.

2. more parallels. the troops manning the wall, and some of those that built it were auxillary troops. non-citizens enlisted in the army who would gain their coveted roman citizenship after 20 years service. when i was aboard ship in the coast guard, our stewards were all phillipino who were enlisted under just those terms. they became US citizens after retirement.

the non-citizens who followed the rules were welcome, and could join the club by working to serve the emipire. non-citizens who tried to get the same privs without following the rules were crucified.

rome lasted, in one form or another from 760bc until the 1400's ad., so what they did kinda worked.

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I am 100% in favor of controlling our borders. I wish it could be done. It just seems that building a wall like that is a solution straight out of antiquity. It's a disappointing answer to a very good question and problem.

Don't forget, when the illegals get done building the wall, ;) we need another one built to stretch from the Atlantic to the Pacific on the Canadian border. Did not the 9/11 scumba-, sorry, terrorists cross over from there? And our brothers to the north have a much more liberal immigration policy. Anybody from anywhere can get into Canada quite easily- then stroll across our border in the middle of nowhere.

We're at war- and we need to have an effective border control. If it means paying more for lettuce or hiring an American for a few more bucks, so it must be. If it meant a safer nation, I'd pay a little more for anything.

Anthrax and a-weapons are quite small, compared to the size of any country. I don't have the answer how to keep them out; maybe it can't be done. It's time for our defense thinkers to think outside the box, and a wall is not innovative/adapative thinking- which is what we need.

Strange the world was so much safer during the Cold War I grew up in.


Mike :(
 
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