Busse craze?

[Blade Runner 7]

What do you plan to do with this knife of legends you are on a blood quest to find? Slay a dragon? Conquer middle earth? I think you are taking this whole thing a little overboard. True the MOAB might not be the best of the best, but not because there is some other rediculously large knife that MIGHT perform better. It's because nobody has a real use for a knife like that. Busse makes that knife for fun. Not because some survivor man is going to trek through the Amazon with nothing but a loincloth and a MOAB. If you want a REAL knife that actually serves a purpose then maybe we can have a real conversation. This thread is about the supposed "hype" of the Busse brand. Not "is there a useless knife that works better than another useless knife?" Busse knives that are meant to see real world use don't cost $2500. They cost $300-$400. That's in the ballpark of MANY MANY MANY.......other brands. Stop saying they are overpriced simply because you (not you specifically) can't afford it. And stop saying they aren't worth it if you haven't owned one. And don't say other knives are equal in quality if you haven't owned one. It's fine if you can't justify spending the money on a knife from Busse but don't spread bad information just because of that.

Most of the Busse hype comes from us Busse fans joking about the ability of INFI. Only noobs take it seriously. Don't be a noob.

 

[AntDog]

Hi Antdog

I understand your frustration over things you described....First i have to respond to you-i am fan of every good and worth blade regardless of "brand"....I like Busse very much (only their large blades Battle Mistress, Moab) - Let me please correct you in steel mass put into blade in your view 5 HI into 1 Busse,,,,,,the blade i display here-MOAB seem next to it like junior high....(friend have moab),,,HI CAK is way bigger more devastating blade,with momentum and velocity impact that moab is just not capable to do,due to construction features....(physics),,,i was looking for absolute ultimate weapon,able to take substitute for knife-axe-machete-sword in one.

Talking price differences,yes that is clear to everybody,but me as a consumer i am interesting and searching for best possible options to get most value for money i was talking about...I did not presented any particular comments of who is my favourite,just stated,there are better options (at least for me) than investing (according me) into overly priced items,when one can get same,or higher quality,for less or same money...,Untill i was challenged by other member here,i did not intend to continue in this thread,but hey-so here it goes....I love all good quality blades and always looking to get the best possible

I believe you are responding to the wrong individual. I am not Al. However he does have some valid points. Busses are not nearly expensive as you think they are. And sorry, but they will absolutely spank nearly anything else made anywhere, by anybody.

As for value? Sometimes you really DO get what you pay for.

 

[mainaman]

,HI CAK is way bigger more devastating blade,with momentum and velocity impact that moab is just not capable to do,due to construction features....(physics),,,

How heavy is your HI?

 

[Seriousbladeno1]

How heavy is your HI?

Weight is 1,6KG (not sure how much OZ or Lbs it is)

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[Seriousbladeno1]

What do you plan to do with this knife of legends you are on a blood quest to find? Slay a dragon? Conquer middle earth? I think you are taking this whole thing a little overboard. True the MOAB might not be the best of the best, but not because there is some other rediculously large knife that MIGHT perform better. It's because nobody has a real use for a knife like that. Busse makes that knife for fun. Not because some survivor man is going to trek through the Amazon with nothing but a loincloth and a MOAB. If you want a REAL knife that actually serves a purpose then maybe we can have a real conversation. This thread is about the supposed "hype" of the Busse brand. Not "is there a useless knife that works better than another useless knife?" Busse knives that are meant to see real world use don't cost $2500. They cost $300-$400. That's in the ballpark of MANY MANY MANY.......other brands. Stop saying they are overpriced simply because you (not you specifically) can't afford it. And stop saying they aren't worth it if you haven't owned one. And don't say other knives are equal in quality if you haven't owned one. It's fine if you can't justify spending the money on a knife from Busse but don't spread bad information just because of that.

Most of the Busse hype comes from us Busse fans joking about the ability of INFI. Only noobs take it seriously. Don't be a noob.

Al i got your point of view,no prob

And agree to some point,but i realy prefer large blade and khukri comes with additional blades,that can be used for fine work...suits me to the ground.

All i wrote to the topic is purely my point of view,3-400 USD gets me only small or average knife from Busse,without the sheath,i paid less than that for hand forged beast by old traditional bladesmiths from Nepal,blade that yes-as you said i can "slay the dragon" with,that comes with sheath and additional blades for fine work....That was my point....Other than that as i said,i am no enemy to Busse knifes-opposite is truth, i love them,like their designs,steel stats,but just not willing to get any of them,untill they prove to be best value and choice for the money....So far,if i got to go factory mass production way,than Kyzliar have my first place,SOG second,Busse third; according my own scale "you get,what you pay for" ....

If Busse,i love Nuclear Meltdown Fusion Battle Mistress and MOAB-those are wicked and functional designes i think

 

[Skywalker31]

I think there's competition out there that offers comparable performance at better prices, but the companies that do are all still smaller and don't quite have the same image or "culture" or notoriety or whatever built up around them yet - so you have to look a little harder to find them.

IMO Koster Knives and Survive! Knives are good examples of these.

I was looking for a fixed blade in the ~5" range a while back and ended up getting a Koster Bushmaster from KSF for something like $230 or $240. Had been looking into Busse before that but they weren't currently making anything in that size and I wasn't having a ton of fun trying to track through the alphabet soup. So when I found the Bushmaster - .22" CPM-3V @ 59-60 HRC - I went with that. Now Busse makes the SOB in that size range (4.75") and it's $367, no sheath. Even if the SOB had been available I'd honestly probably still go with the Koster.

And Survive! makes some pretty sensible, practical designs in CPM-3V, though most may be smaller than what folks looking for Busse models want (come to think of it, that's probably true for Koster, too). Prices again seem to be at least $100 less than comparably sized Busses, and they come with great kydex sheathes (I've got an M390 GSO 4.1).

I guess you could argue that INFI is just that much better than CPM-3V. Maybe it is; I've never used it. But the impression that I've gotten is that CPM-3V is at least some pretty serious competition for it (if anyone's used both and would like to comment, I would be really interested in hearing it).


I'm not trying to knock Busse here - I was this close to ordering a Basic 8 from them the other night, but I figure I should use what I have more before spending too much on new stuff (and to be honest I wasn't really a huge fan of the choil on it). It's still pretty likely that I'll pick one up in the future. But if you're willing to look around at some of the smaller guys - it seems to me like there are a few excellent options out there (at least in the medium size range, not so sure about the humongous chopper category) that are very competitively priced.

 

[Blade Runner 7]

Al i got your point of view,no prob

And agree to some point,but i realy prefer large blade and khukri comes with additional blades,that can be used for fine work...suits me to the ground.

For what purpose though? Do you really have a need or use for this blade or is it a show piece?

All i wrote to the topic is purely my point of view,3-400 USD gets me only small or average knife from Busse,without the sheath

No. A small knife from Busse(relatively speaking of course) is $230. Cheaper if you wait for something smaller than the AMS to come out. Smallest Swamp Rat is $109. That's pretty reasonable. Cheapest scrapyard knife that isn't sold out is $80. None of those are in your $300-$400 minimum for a small knife. Please stop inflating the prices. Why does everyone always say Busse knives cost more than they do?

just not willing to get any of them,untill they prove to be best value and choice for the money

What kind of car do you drive? The one that's the best value for your money? I hope it's a Kia or Hyundai then. Some of us like to live a little and enjoy the nicer things in life. Yeah you can always find something a little cheaper but you can't always find something better. Saying something is a better value is highly subjective.

So far,if i got to go factory mass production way,than Kyzliar have my first place,SOG second,Busse third; according my own scale "you get,what you pay for" ....

If Busse,i love Nuclear Meltdown Fusion Battle Mistress and MOAB-those are wicked and functional designes i think

Kyzliar? SOG? Lol. You're proving that you are VERY new to this.

I own 3 NMFBMs. Fun knives yes. Functional? I suppose. For what though? Impressing your friends? For actually taking into the woods and using, no they are not good choices. The ASHBM is getting closer. Check out the Scrapyard 1311 if you want to maximize the price to performance ratio. I have a few of those as well and I can promise you, you won't beat it. You can still grab one in the secondary market for less than $300 sometimes. They were only $200 when available direct.

 

[trevitrace]

I think there's competition out there that offers comparable performance at better prices, but the companies that do are all still smaller and don't quite have the same image or "culture" or notoriety or whatever built up around them yet - so you have to look a little harder to find them.

IMO Koster Knives and Survive! Knives are good examples of these.

I was looking for a fixed blade in the ~5" range a while back and ended up getting a Koster Bushmaster from KSF for something like $230 or $240. Had been looking into Busse before that but they weren't currently making anything in that size and I wasn't having a ton of fun trying to track through the alphabet soup. So when I found the Bushmaster - .22" CPM-3V @ 59-60 HRC - I went with that. Now Busse makes the SOB in that size range (4.75") and it's $367, no sheath. Even if the SOB had been available I'd honestly probably still go with the Koster.

And Survive! makes some pretty sensible, practical designs in CPM-3V, though most may be smaller than what folks looking for Busse models want (come to think of it, that's probably true for Koster, too). Prices again seem to be at least $100 less than comparably sized Busses, and they come with great kydex sheathes (I've got an M390 GSO 4.1).

I guess you could argue that INFI is just that much better than CPM-3V. Maybe it is; I've never used it. But the impression that I've gotten is that CPM-3V is at least some pretty serious competition for it (if anyone's used both and would like to comment, I would be really interested in hearing it).


I'm not trying to knock Busse here - I was this close to ordering a Basic 8 from them the other night, but I figure I should use what I have more before spending too much on new stuff (and to be honest I wasn't really a huge fan of the choil on it). It's still pretty likely that I'll pick one up in the future. But if you're willing to look around at some of the smaller guys - it seems to me like there are a few excellent options out there (at least in the medium size range, not so sure about the humongous chopper category) that are very competitively priced.

Well worded. :thumbup:

That said...love me some Siegle and Big Chris, also.

 

[AntDog]

I own 3 NMFBMs. Fun knives yes. Functional? I suppose. For what though? Impressing your friends? For actually taking into the woods and using, no they are not good choices.

I was right there with you buddy until this... Why the hell wouldn't they be good to take into the woods and use?! Color me perplexed...

Kyzliar? SOG? Lol. You're proving that you are VERY new to this

My sentiments exactly. I think this guy may be from abroad and just wants to support the home team? (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) I'm just guessing here though.

 

[mainaman]

I was right there with you buddy until this... Why the hell wouldn't they be good to take into the woods and use?! Color me perplexed...



My sentiments exactly. I think this guy may be from abroad and just wants to support the home team? I'm just guessing here though.

I think Al meant they are heavy and therefore when one is outing for a few days with all the other gear, the extra weight can be an issue.
A 3-4lb Kuk is just crazy to lug out in the woods even to go try it out. The Kuk has the advantage of weight against a MOAB but there is so much more than just that to how a knife cuts, grind,ergo, geometry. There is no way to tell which knife cuts better until they are tested against each other. One thing is for sure, it will take less swings with the Kuk to get tired than the MOAB. What use is such heavy blade when after say 10 swings it becomes basically ineffective due to poor technique of chopping from fatigue? I'd like to see a video chop off between the MOAB and that big Kuk. if I read correctly Seriousbladeno1 has a friend with MOAB so may be they can arrange something.

 

[co556guy]

you get more than what you paid for IMHO.

The quality of their product is very high, from finishing to steel to handle. Good, very good HT and cryo. Good designs that appeal to both users and collectors. The ability to customize many of them from the shop. Having a custom shop. Known to be tough knives. They aren't afraid to "go big."

I've bought a like new swamprat rodent 6 and a like new sykco regulator for $140 and $150. The rodent came with a sheath, and I had to get one for the reg. Total cost after was within the realms of reasonable considering that a DPx fixed blade is more than the rodent was, even with a sheath, and comparable to the reg w/ sheath. (and if I want to use the DPx, I'm going to need to replace the sheath anyways (I don't like the DPx sheath very much, but I'm a kydex fan).

 

[drrickso]

Not because some survivor man is going to trek through the Amazon with nothing but a loincloth and a MOAB..

I chuckled when I read that

As a side note- sure you can have a MUCH lighter blade/machete for cheaper but I deal with the extra weight on my NMFBM vs let's say a Jungla because I like the added heft. If I end up with a MOABOLO- I'm taking it out to the woods as well (I'll be fully clothed though)

 

[Quiet]

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Example??? ok.Did you have an impression Busse is the toughest? This beast will smoke away any Busse,no contest....

(Himalayan Imports 20,8"inch Chiruwa AngKhola,9/16"thickness of blade,dual heat treated,zone tempered,5160 hand forged,carbon leaf spring steel)

Lifetime warranty-as a pry bar included,both on the blade and handle.If you ever manage to break it,HI will issue two of these,under their terms and conditions.

LMAO Yeah, NO. Sorry, guy.

Also, man, HI must pay their marketing guys really, really well.

 

[Quiet]

Al i got your point of view,no prob

And agree to some point,but i realy prefer large blade and khukri comes with additional blades,that can be used for fine work...suits me to the ground.

All i wrote to the topic is purely my point of view,3-400 USD gets me only small or average knife from Busse,without the sheath,i paid less than that for hand forged beast by old traditional bladesmiths from Nepal,blade that yes-as you said i can "slay the dragon" with,that comes with sheath and additional blades for fine work....That was my point....Other than that as i said,i am no enemy to Busse knifes-opposite is truth, i love them,like their designs,steel stats,but just not willing to get any of them,untill they prove to be best value and choice for the money....So far,if i got to go factory mass production way,than Kyzliar have my first place,SOG second,Busse third; according my own scale "you get,what you pay for" ....

If Busse,i love Nuclear Meltdown Fusion Battle Mistress and MOAB-those are wicked and functional designes i think

Ok guys, we can pull the plug on this one. This gent is either a troll paid by HI, or else VERY new to the knife game, has just bought a nice shiny HI kuk (and hasn't actually used it for anything) and thinks that being heavy and awesome to swing around must mean it's the baddest blade on the planet and Busse couldn't possibly compete.

 

[Blade Runner 7]

I was right there with you buddy until this... Why the hell wouldn't they be good to take into the woods and use?! Color me perplexed...

If you are going on a 2 mile hike once a year fine. It's fun to carry that much weight and chop a few branches for no real reason. Backpacking though? I can't imagine anyone would want to lug a NMFBM (or similar) when you could get something MUCH lighter and maybe even more efficient. The NMFBM is an awesome toy but practical? Not really.

 

[dericdesmond]

If you are going on a 2 mile hike once a year fine. It's fun to carry that much weight and chop a few branches for no real reason. Backpacking though? I can't imagine anyone would want to lug a NMFBM (or similar) when you could get something MUCH lighter and maybe even more efficient. The NMFBM is an awesome toy but practical? Not really.

Agreed.

Love an nmfbm luvr

 

[cash2006]

Just ordered first RMDU. Ty gents!

 

[Seriousbladeno1]

LMAO Yeah, NO. Sorry, guy.

Also, man, HI must pay their marketing guys really, really well.

Well,Quiet

I am non of the above,i just expressed my point of view thats it...By the way "term" best knife means nothing,unless its directly addressing particular performance related to some sort achievment...or value.

I only stated my point of view here,that may not necessary be the same as yours.I respect other opinions and expect the same.Not everybody must necessary share the same toughts...

Also it is very foolish to consider "beginner" or "experienced" according what brand of knife he owns.....I see it all the time and over and it is hilarious to me.

Respectfuly

Best Regards

 

[Blade Runner 7]

Hey Serious, what country are you from? I think it's so cool that there are lots of people from around the globe on here.

 

[Quiet]

Well,Quiet

I am non of the above,i just expressed my point of view thats it...By the way "term" best knife means nothing,unless its directly addressing particular performance related to some sort achievment...or value.

I only stated my point of view here,that may not necessary be the same as yours.I respect other opinions and expect the same.Not everybody must necessary share the same toughts...

Also it is very foolish to consider "beginner" or "experienced" according what brand of knife he owns.....I see it all the time and over and it is hilarious to me.

Respectfuly

Best Regards

Actually, no, it's not foolish. If you like a brand that's known for mediocre quality, low-level steels used, and overall mediocre fit and finish, that's fine. But then, you compare that brand to another brand that's known for being vastly better in all of those areas...I'm not sure what else you could call it other than being inexperienced, or a beginner at this hobby. In fact, it'd be foolish to see it any other way, sorry.

I mean, SOG shouldn't be mentioned in the same ZIP CODE as Busse. Come on, now.