Busse for sale/trade forum?

Another arguement for leaving things they way they are is to look at forum activity. In terms of activity it is HI, Busse and Spyderco respectively. The Busse crowd is perhaps vocal for our numbers but we are active and I would bet have a decent number of Gold and higher memberships. Wouldn't it follow that the sale forums would reflect this?
 
Honestly, I think it's a non-issue. But after thinking about it for a minute, I'm against it.
 

Suffice it to say I do not see a good reason to segregate any group basied upon the opinions of others. If that group so chooses to have there own wts/wtt fourum then so be it - but not at the demands of others.....

One man - one vote
 
I'm still rather new here, relatively speaking, so if any of these thoughts and ideas are redundant, then I apologize.

I'm mainly here for the Busse, although I do still like my customs. :)

Progunner just uses the same thread for all of his sales. It's a bit of a pain sorting though the post BUT it does eliminate new threads by him, and I'm patient enough, so that's one thought... Just a single thread for each selling member in each applicable FS forum is an idea...

OR... How about a Q&A sub forum to handle the extra chatter associated with the selling and buying process? All questions and answers go there, and the SALE threads only get:
*Information corrections (& price changes, or 'check Q&A for answers', etc.)
*"I'll take it.", and appropriate Seller's response
*The DAILY Bump
*Gentle reminders to newbies to ask questions in the Exchange's Q&A board when they post Q's on the sale thread. (Custom Q&A, Production Q&A, etc.)

AND... When the thread is DONE (i.e. SOLD OUT) the SELLER should be made to CLOSE the thread so that it may fade away. 'Knives received' chatter and 'Good seller' chatter goes to the GBU anyway, yes?

This, to me, seems to make the most sense (unless I'm missing something...!) and would clear up over half of the posts in the actual FS Exchange threads, including all or most of the chatter. You'd have to do some extra scrolling for your answers to questions/comments, but membership is cheap here, so scroll already! LOL
I don't believe segregation is the answer here...
Just a thought... :thumbup:
Jaxx:cool:
 
Honestly, I think it's a non-issue. But after thinking about it for a minute, I'm against it.
Honestly, I think it's a non-issue too. But after thinking about it for a minute, I've decided not to think about it any more. :yawn:
 
two quotes from me from the last thread like this:

The Buck guys campaigned for a forum. The only people campaigning to make a seperate Busse sales forum are people who are not interested in them. . .
. . .

Forcing changes upon people is vastly different than letting them choose for themselves. If someone wants to have a forum for a certain brand of knife, they can request it, and if enough people want it, then they get it. (as with the Buck Forum) But, if someone wants to sell a Buck in the general forum, they will not get their post moved to the new Buck forum.

Nobody said "I don't want to see bucks for sale, so we should make anyone wanting to sell Bucks post them in another forum where we won't see them."

Equating the Buck Exchange forum to what a few people want to force on every other paying member of the forum is ridiculous, yet that is the example set forth in the argument. It is the difference between buying a house and being evicted.

Bottom line- I will continue selling production knives in the production forum, regardless of what brands, because that is where the threads will get the most exposure.

If there was a bunch of Busse Collectors saying they want a separate area it would be a totally different scenario. I am not going to be tossed in the corner because someone doesn't like the knife I want to sell.

You cannot group Sellers together, either. We are all individuals with equal right to equal exposure for our sale threads.
 
Busse is an interesting company as far as sales go. the level of sales is often based on the immediate availablility of new knives, or specific times of year such as tax time and christmas.

During the down times, theres almost no activity anywhere, but do to the recent offerings of popular models from the new line, the activity has spiked very noticably.

I could understand not wanting to be out of the main traffic stream of possible customers by being seperated into another sales forum, but I can also understand the reasoning for it by general members, as well as select busse customers. 6 months ago, the sale forum pages would completely renew with new threads/bumps in about 36-48 hours. it now seems to be every 6. At the moment, that is impacted in large part by busse/swamprat sales.

If the sales activities do not go down significantly based on the new busse line and sales protocol, then I think it would benefit the general non busse selling participants, as well as those who are looking to purchase a more general brand name production blade via the bladeforums for sale forum. While they are technically 3 seperate companies, they are directly connected in the public eye. I'm not sure it would be absolutely necessary to split them up into 3 seperate sub forums, instead of one combined forum.

But - spark rules. He has the final say in wether its worth it to create/possibly find a moderator for the new sub forums. If there is enough demand from gold selling members (and/or non gold members looking to upgrade), then let's hear it if you want it done.
 
If we start with a Busse For Sale subforum, what's next? A Busse WTB sub-forum? How about a Busse WTT subforum? And so on...
 
This a what I'd said in the other thread that Judy posted a link to:

While I previously posted that I thought a separate forum would be a good thing, I've changed my mind.

If someone new starts looking at the sale forums, originally for non-product X, and sees many threads about product X, it may well pique that persons interest enough to look into product X, and they may thereafter become a new customer for/of that product.

Had product X been segregated to its own unique forum, that person may never have thought to look into that product, and therefore a potentially new customer/fan/collector would be lost.

If a person collects a specific brand/style/whatever characteristic, and all things are listed together, given the search limitations, they will have to do some legwork to find that item/brand, but they would not be exposed to a product were it in the segregated product line.

The need to scroll pages, to me, appears to be just the nature of the limitations of the search function.

Perhaps changing it so that a search limitation of up to 30 or 60 or 90 days would alleviate the inability of it to return findings due to a huge number of hits.

If it is searching the entire database, the number of hits on commonly used brand or model names would be, and evidently are, overwhelming, and too numerous to post.

A historical timeframe limit on the search might address/solve this.

It could also be tiered so that the higher your membership level, the further back you could search.

I do feel that sale posts should be consolidated, not listed out in several posts, each relating solely to one item, when those several items could be listed in one post.

To me, multiple listings on the same day are just space hogs.

I have seen many people (mea culpa here, but I'm getting better...) continuing to post "wow, good deal", "hey, he's a good guy", or "man, that's STILL here", which provides a bump contrary to the forum guidelines.

I know that AR15 has a 72-hour bump restriction, and threads are locked if it is violated.


Perhaps something like that would enable all sellers to have their posts viewable (on the first page or two) under a natural occurence/posting sequence state, without unnecessarily bumped posts moving non-bumped posts to subsequent pages.

Personally, I think the enforcement of the chit-chat related bumps, along with consolidated postings, would help the forums move to their natural state, and should be tested before a split off...

The search function changes might well help out too....


Carry on.

I have bolded some changes that I believe might aleviate the "clog" problems.

IMHO, the primary contributing problems are:

1) the chit-chat bump "oohh, good deal", "oohhh, good guy", "oohh, still here?",
2) multiple listings for items which could/should be combined into a single posting
3) the limitations of the search functionality

Just my $.02
 
I don't see that there is a problem now. Isn't the idea to have an active FS forum? Segregating it into multiple FS forums will just result in a more cumbersome FS area and will eventually result in decreased traffic in the FS area. Bad idea IMO.
 
Spark,

As a paying member of this forum, who has also occasionally bought and occasionally sold Busse knives through this forum, count me as against a separate forum for buying and selling Busse knives.

I opinion my thinking on the matter, the last time this came up, in the Whine and Cheese forum. I won't quote here what I said, there, because my wording was not appropriate outside of Whine and Cheese. Instead, let me direct you to that post...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4090918#post4090918

I think my characterization regarding this subject, there, is still spot on.
 
I am personally against it as well, but agree with thatmguy. Posts and threads need to remain minimal. Busse sales are numerous, but we, as busse fans should be respectful as we are only a small section of BFC. If we minimize the bumping and stick with one clump thread and not relisting the last remaining knife for sale, things will hopefully smooth out.

I do agree that the busse sales do come in waves and this will hopefully taper down.
 
Maybe a poll to let paying members only vote to see how many would like to see the Busse knives that clog up all the for sale threads be allowed to have their own private Busse and related Busse knives only for sale forum is in order??

The question from my fellow backyard mechanic and very good friend is valid and very correct. I've felt the same way and not voiced it numerous times.

As Thom said I also get a bit put out by the number of bumps to the top by people not even interested in buying while my own newer thread steadily goes down more and more to disappear.

I also see no relevant reason that someone has to post on the Busse forum frequently enough to be recognized before they are justified in making a statement about them. That is of no consequence. He posts on the forsale forum often enough to see what goes on there and thats the topic at hand not the Busse forum.

STR
 
pointless bumps are against the rules, so my suggestion is everytime you see it, report the post. And perhaps people will get the idea.

My feeling is the busse bunch seems pretty nice, but whenever a new model comes out, people buy scores at a time, then dump them forsale. Maybe they're not making a profit, but it is a PIA.

That being said I have 5 GW's and 4 SS4 in infi to sell. (I'm keeping the other 10 to sell later)
 
Maybe a poll to let paying members only vote to see how many would like to see the Busse knives that clog up all the for sale threads be allowed to have their own private Busse and related Busse knives only for sale forum is in order??


STR

"Be Allowed" is not synonymous with "Forced to".
 
I don't agree with forcing anyone to segregate anymore than you do which is why I said it the way I did.

I would think the Busse fans would have loved to have their own forum to sell in but if not thats fine by me. No one said they didn't like Busse knives or Mr. Busse. This isn't about that.

Its about clogging up the for sale forums and BTT from what I can tell.


EDIT: Would it help if you guys were politely asked to consider voting in your own for sale forum for better flow and less clogging of the current for sale forum?

STR
 
I thought multiple threads were already frowned upon. It is easier for everyone if multiple knives are consolidated in one thread. I am also against meaningless posts to either remark upon the coolness of the knife or the quality of the seller- any comments about a seller's character should be posted in TGB&U. Unless you are asking for pictures or about the knife, or if you are saying "I'll take it" you should not be posting in the thread.
 
Progunner just uses the same thread for all of his sales. It's a bit of a pain sorting though the post BUT it does eliminate new threads by him, and I'm patient enough, so that's one thought... Just a single thread for each selling member in each applicable FS forum is an idea...

In my opinion this is an ill conceived solution to a non-existent problem. How is his one post being brought to the the top of page every few days different that posting a new one?

The old post would just be buried, and it's pretty confusing reading through all of the old comments.
 
Here's something I wrote about a week ago:
I have the impression there are a lot of people who are strongly in favor, and nobody who is strongly against it -- which makes sense; it won't make much difference to the people who are buying and selling Busses so there's no reason to feel strongly against it.

I noticed a couple of people said they first started looking into Busses because they saw so much trading in them in the Exchange and said they were afraid if that trading were put in a separate forum that would prevent new people noticing it, but that makes no sense at all -- new people can't help but notice there's a whole forum just for trading in Busses and that will make them at least as curious.

It seems at least a couple of people are strongly against it, though, and it's not entirely clear to me why. In fact I don't see why anybody feels so strongly about this one way or another. It's a matter of how many times you're going to have to click your mouse, people. Your right to buy and sell knives is not at stake here. If you are interested both in Busses and in other knives it's a question of whether you would rather keep clicking to go to the next page or whether you would rather click to go to another forum. Either way, I doubt your forefinger is going to fall off from too much clicking....

There is clearly enough traffic both in Busses and in other knives to make both forums viable if the forum is split.

If you're only interested in buying a Busse (at the moment) you'll have fewer posts to wade through. If you're only interested in buying some other knife, likewise. If you're shopping for both right now you'll have to click on both forums, which might be more or less trouble for you than clicking next page a lot.

If you're a seller you should want to make it easy for the people who want to buy your knife to find it. Put yourself in the buyer's place. What would be most convenient?

If you get yourself all worked up about "being forced" you're only going to impair your ability to think straight. This isn't a matter of choosing between Good and Evil, it's a matter of deciding what arrangement will be most convenient for buyers, which is to the benefit of sellers too.
 
In my opinion this is an ill conceived solution to a non-existent problem. How is his one post being brought to the the top of page every few days different that posting a new one?

The old post would just be buried, and it's pretty confusing reading through all of the old comments.


Good points and agreeded -

I do say that I have no problem in the tightening of rules as for example to how often a post can go BBT et all. Great Idea - heck any of the rules are fine as long as they APPLY TO EVERYONE! The Same. For some reason I sence a edge towards the Busse croud that I do not understand nor appreciate.
 
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