Busse-kins carried for utility/defense?

saniterra said:
Forgive my rant here and I don't want to step on any toes, but I don't understand what it is all about with knife guys and self defense? If you want an edged weapon, get something about the size of an AK-47 or at least a Waki - even a Rucki is a marginal weapon. Swords - an AK-47 - are weapons first and can have a secondary use as a tool. Knives are tools first and weapons as a secondary use. Unless one is a truly skilled knife-fighter, one is well and truly screwed if one has to depend on a knife as a self-defense weapon. Even skilled knife fighters are going to get cut and those that are not skilled are going to get cut badly, possibly with their own knife. In a self-defense situation, one is better off with a baseball bat, a bush axe or a sharpshooter spade. Knives make good weapons mostly in an offensive stealth mode or in a self defense stealth mode where ones opponent feels the knife before he sees it. As far as the law is concerned, having a knife is as bad as a gun - possibly worse in that most concealed carry permits allow possession of a gun but not a weapon-like knife. So you may as well have a gun when self-defense is concerned. A knife is a last ditch weapon that is converted from its role as a tool.
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Do you have any experience concealing/carrying a pistol?

When it comes to defense and guns...you don't walk around town with a rifle in hand or slug over your shoulder/chest. I'd imagine that'd make most people pretty uneasy. Instead you carry a pistol on your hip, in a pocket, on an ankle, etc. usually concealed as not to frighten the flock or alert possible bad guys to the threat you pose to them. Similarly, a sword might be a little off-putting to see. I know I'm all for guns/knives but I tend to avoid anyone walking around with a sword in hand.

Plus for close-quarters work or indoors, a sword is definitely not optimal. You want something that is fast in the hand, good retention, and a good presentation/draw. Yes, a sword gives you more reach but not much control other than waving it around hoping no one has a gun or comes near you.

A 3-5" blade on the other hand can be pretty simple to conceal, is handy for most utility tasks, and can be used for defense with almost any level of training/practice. Obviously, as with most things, the more you train the better you get.

-Emt1581
 
Just curious but are there any pocket sheaths available for Busse's?

I've never seen a fixed blade pocket sheath, I'd think the draw would slice apart the pocket and would risk hitting an artery unless the holster has a guard going all the way up to the top of the pocket to prevent any cutting.

Thanks

-Emt1581
 
Yes, I do have experience - many years worth - of carrying a pistol concealed. And a rifle unconcealed as well as knife oriented hand to hand combat. This last, though it occurred many years ago, was a convincing argument for avoiding a knife fight at all reasonable costs. I also know that, regardless of the weapon or tool you have at hand, one had better be prepared to use it before ones opponent gets within 20 feet or more.
 
saniterra said:
Yes, I do have experience - many years worth - of carrying a pistol concealed. And a rifle unconcealed as well as knife oriented hand to hand combat. This last, though it occurred many years ago, was a convincing argument for avoiding a knife fight at all reasonable costs. I also know that, regardless of the weapon or tool you have at hand, one had better be prepared to use it before ones opponent gets within 20 feet or more.
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Yup, have to be willing use it or you're screwed. But with this experience, how does that match up with the sword suggestion?

-Emt1581
 
Gravelface said:
Routinely carry a Skeleton Key in a kydex sheath in my pocket for years. Just started carrying a Mag Bear Cub. Those are usually the only 2 Busses I can carry anywhere. Keep a Steel Heart in my patrol car.
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+1 on the Mag Bear Cub...love that knife. :thumbup: I've started a collection of MBCs, not as large as David's collection of HACK Cubs though. ;)

If anyone ever wants to unload an MBC, let me know. :D
 
Well, Mr. saniterra, I tend to agree. Utility/Defense, I'm thinking cut rope, apples, etc. and maybe bite back at a mean dog. I was in several fights in my younger days. When fists start swinging, the only thought was to keep swinging. Of course, those were days without gangs and crap like that. And if you feel threatened and brandish a blade, your tool just became a weapon and a threat of deadly force, as far as the DA is concerned. Of course, my ink pen can become a weapon.
That being said, I carry a Fremont Jack in a pouch, along with a Case CV medium stockman and FP wallet in my right front pocket, a Case Baby Butterbean, phone, and AAA flashlight (often needed during the day at work) in my left front pocket, and my Swamp Warden with my handkerchief in my right back pocket. Folding wallet in my left back pocket. I like to have my stuff!
 
Oh yea, the Swamp Warden rides along on a small Kydex sheath (just covers the blade) made by some unknown maker for the SW. I bought it off some auction site.
 
emt1581 said:
Yup, have to be willing use it or you're screwed. But with this experience, how does that match up with the sword suggestion?

-Emt1581
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When I say "prepared to use", I'm not talking about willing as I was taking that as a given. I meant that one better be clearing ones holster or sheath with ones weapon. As to the sword, the same applies. One can draw a sword as quickly as a gun or a knife, possibly quicker since the sword cannot be carried concealed - as a rule - so there are no clothes or pockets to interfere with the draw. As far as a sword in close quarters, I'm thinking of one that can be used not only to slash but also like a rapier which is almost entirely about a thrust. Speaking from some experience with fencing in college, a fencer must stay on a strip no more than 4 feet wide or possibly less, just can't remember. To get off of the strip is to be penalized, even disqualified. Not that this has any real bearing on a true fight situation. But unless one is using a broad sword, a cavalry saber or some other type of sword that requires a sweeping stroke, using a sword to fight takes no more clearance than using a knife or a pistol - always assuming that you will have the weapon, whatever it is, at the ready by the 20 foot mark.
 
I've been carrying the MaxDuty quite a bit lately whether I be hunting or out and about.
Got in a BB Kydex Sheath and have it on my belt loop fixed horizontally and its be super comfortable
whether I'm tramping through the woods or in and out of the truck getting groceries.

In regards to self defense I'm always prepared for an encounter to be intimate and up close.
This thread was started for utility/defense in mind.
So for the average person carrying a sword wouldn't be the best choice. Your mileage may vary.
As others have stated concealment would be a high priority I can't even fathom carrying a sword in the open where I live.
 
emt1581 said:
Just curious but are there any pocket sheaths available for Busse's?

I've never seen a fixed blade pocket sheath, I'd think the draw would slice apart the pocket and would risk hitting an artery unless the holster has a guard going all the way up to the top of the pocket to prevent any cutting.

Thanks

-Emt1581
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I have made pocket sheaths for years :)

It is very good at helping one keep ones knife in ones pocket until one needs ones knife/tool for ones chores or to protect ones self from opposer's of one or ones loved ones ;):D

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My coats have patch pockets big enough to hold a Game Warden lying flat.

I love that compact knife. The three inch blade can do a lot and the handle gives a good grip.

If I have a jacket on, I have the Game Warden with me.
 
Active Duty goes with me most of the time. Armorall leather made me a horizontal carry sheath that goes across the small of my back and most of the time I forget that its there.

Garth
 
Carry these two frequently; Skelly Warden with BB IWB, works very well:thumbup: - and the Skelly Key, right in my front pocket with its kydex.

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The way that I understand the law, in most American states. You've got a concealed carry gun permit, you're ok.

You've got a concealed knife. It becomes a concealed weapon, the minute you use that knife to defend yourself. In such a case the knife stop being a tool and becomes a concealed weapon and you are likely to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.

If I'm right in this (correct me if I'm wrong) you just better be prepared to face the music. Just saying...the authorities are likely to accuse you even if you just used it to scare away would be attackers.
 
Noxious Fumes said:
The way that I understand the law, in most American states. You've got a concealed carry gun permit, you're ok.

You've got a concealed knife. It becomes a concealed weapon, the minute you use that knife to defend yourself. In such a case the knife stop being a tool and becomes a concealed weapon and you are likely to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.

If I'm right in this (correct me if I'm wrong) you just better be prepared to face the music. Just saying...the authorities are likely to accuse you even if you just used it to scare away would be attackers.
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Most importantly though, it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six….. :thumbup::p
 
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