Busse Knives Being Outsourced????

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Revolverrodger said:
Damn I thought busse imported the mystery steel from Canada... you know the place were they made woverine's skeleton :D
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LOL!!! If I could be Woverine I would what a INFI skeleton myself!!! I wonder how much it would cost to replace your skeleton with INFI, that's a lot of money at $100 per inch and there's a lot of inches in a skeleton!!!:eek:
 
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:thumbup: If I knew this was going on I would have logged on way earlier.
Thanks fellas and Amy-0 :thumbup::thumbup:
 
-TNT- said:
I'm not sure who you are, but let me explain something important to you:

The Company Store is NOT run by Busse. It is run by a user here by the name of IdahoSkunk. The Busse Combat store gives direct links OUT to sheath makers, and does NOT sell sheaths from Armoralleather.

http://bussecombat.com/sheaths/index.shtml
Just a list of a few sheath makers. No sheaths for sale.


On another note, it would behoove you to simmer on down and play nice. :)
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You shouldn't comment on on issues that you don't know about as you are wrong on both accounts.

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I find it amusing that UJ just can't keep his nose out of Busse knives in any way. It seems that he is so absorbed with being shut out of the Busse community that he constantly has to create new BladeForum accounts (which he gets banned with over and over again) and now on another forum, which I am surprised he has lasted as long on as he has. Sooner or later he will run out of forums to post on an be forced to just fade away.............................


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What'd i miss...WWIII???

Everyone knows Jerry's handles are made here but coated with lead paint in china!!

DUH!!

Just kiddin'!!!!
 
*Warning! Ranting about to take place.*

I'm amazed at how far Uncle Jarvis is willing to go because his ego got hurt. From my understanding, the former Busse advocate misbehaved, got out of line, and got his feelings hurt after being reprimanded for acting like an untrained German Shepard. Then in an attempt to be vindictive, continued this immature, shameless behavior. All for an incident that happen quite some time ago.

Seriously? Get over it. How sad does a grown man have to be to go as far as committing libel (to the extent of doctoring photos to substantiate a lie) because he got banned on an internet forum? I'd expect this from an acne ridden kid who's 13 years old, but really? I don't know whether if I should laugh, be mad, or cry because of how pathetic UJ's actions are. Does anyone sell a life? Because I think this guy needs one.

This community is a happy and civil one. Why try to ruin it for everyone?

*Ranting pretty much done*

All I can say is none of the people on this forum deserve this, especially not Amy. My service with Busse has always been great. Quality? Great. Experience on the forum? Great, so long as you abide by the rules. However, if Amy charged my card and shipped my stuff tomorrow, it'd be exemplary! *wink wink* No? Eh... Can't blame a guy for trying.
 
Uncle jarvis has been banned from bladeforums many times; literally every month he tries to get a new account here and is eventually identified and re-banned. His motives have been and continue to be trolling for negative responses. Every single word he posts anywhere regarding Busse Combat should be questioned and assumed to be part of the long running theme of creating negativity and turbulence in the knife community.

As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if any maker outsources their work within the united states. My main concern is that the product is held to high standards and is supervised by the person with the greatest knowledge and understanding of the product. In the case of busse knives, I want Jerry to be the last word on heat treatment protocol and the inspection process done afterwords, that's why I buy Busse Combat. I don't care if they are heat treated in California and machined in Florida as long as they are manufactured, heat treated and inspected exactly how Jerry designed them to be. A fadal/haas/fanuc cnc mill performs identically regardless of where it's at or who owns it as long as it is set up and maintained correctly. The same model of heat treating oven set to the same parameters and properly calibrated will produce the same heat treatment regardless of where it is at in the united states. If I send a piece of stock to mark the machinist in l.a. and a piece of stock to bob the machinist in new york and say 'make me a 1x2x3 set up block held to .0001" tolerance with x surface finish' I'm going to get two essentially identical blocks for a good reason: manufacturing is a process not a location.

Busse Combat is not Jerry Busse hand grinding every knife, it is a manufacturing company that has a lot of employee's, a lot of cnc machines and a lot of blades being produced. I'm sure Jerry has his hands in a lot of the knives that go out the door, but I'm more sure that every knife is manufactured according to his exacting standards and protocol whether he inspects them personally or not. I'm pretty darn sure that Busse combat has nearly every machine required to manufacture the knives from start to finish on site, save for the smelting furnace to make infi from scratch.
 
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Busse Combat is not Jerry Busse hand grinding every knife, it is a manufacturing company that has a lot of employee's, a lot of cnc machines and a lot of blades being produced.
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:eek::eek:

You mean Jerry did not hand forge my AK whilst extremely inebriated one night? :grumpy: I want a refund.

:p
 
Be kind of nice to see UJ hit with a defamation lawsuit.
 
Well, I am satisfied that everything is as Jerry says it is: I've partied with the crew! ;)

And I sincerely do not believe that outsourcing could provide any of the fine knives I enjoy and use.

I'm a happy customer. That's it.
 
Just got back from my longer weekend away, and this is what happens? Well, I just want to put my two cents, everything is Great with Busse otherwise they wouldn't have my full support and most of the members here. Keep up the great work!
Dan
 
Pretty soon, Jarvis is going to run out of knife forums where he can post.
He'll be badmouthing Busse on his WOW forum, and folks will just be scratching their heads.
 
Huh... good to hear it straight from Boss Man that everything I already thought was true, is true. Thanks!

The rest of the thread was pretty much... odd? :eek: :confused: Kinda reminded me of a pie fight I watched at Universal Studios as a kid, stuff flying everywhere with no rhyme or reason. Oh well, every forum has its moments I suppose. :rolleyes:

I am just happy knowing that Jerry has running his company under control and the made in the USA method seems to be working just fine for him and his customers. :cool: I couldn't ask for better products from a user's standpoint. :thumbup:
 
UJ has a postive thread over on the Greener forum on some of his Busses......

Interesting, but then they don't put up with any BS over there at all.
 
Ankerson said:
UJ has a postive thread over on the Greener forum on some of his Busses......

Interesting, but then they don't put up with any BS over there at all.
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Uncle jarvis's beef doesn't seem to be with busse knives themselves, it's with the community at large. While he may say good things about the knives and enjoy using them he doesn't leave it at that. Inevitably he turns to bashing the company (or the knives) in a manner that is very specifically meant to infuriate people to create discord. If he was in a place where he could try to troll for a negative response and not get one, I'm sure he'd be an active member who provided useful information. But anywhere where there is a sense of community solidarity on busse being a good company that produces good knives, he will try to create discord in it.


I try as best I can to avoid using the world troll, unless it's used in the phrase "trolling for response", because the term has become a generic derogatory label that many just disregard due to over use. But by definition it is what jarvis does. His end goal is to get as much of a negative snowball response going as possible, most likely for his own enjoyment whether recognized as such or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_troll
Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naive questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation.[11]

It's a form of an emotional powerplay where one person acts a specific way to evoke a specific response, thus showing that they have control over the other person. As long as they can continue to create this dynamic, the person doing the power play feels enabled and empowered by the activity, it's a dynamic in which they feel better about themselves. It's important to note that the information involved in the play isn't important, it's the emotional response and outcome. So while uncle jarvis's posts may be contradictory to what he's said previously, the reason behind them is consistent.
 
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in the end, (seeing as how Busse does as much of the work on site with their own machines as possible anyways),

long live Busse Combat.
 
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Uncle jarvis's beef doesn't seem to be with busse knives themselves, it's with the community at large. While he may say good things about the knives and enjoy using them he doesn't leave it at that. Inevitably he turns to bashing the company (or the knives) in a manner that is very specifically meant to infuriate people to create discord. If he was in a place where he could try to troll for a negative response and not get one, I'm sure he'd be an active member who provided useful information. But anywhere where there is a sense of community solidarity on busse being a good company that produces good knives, he will try to create discord in it.


I try as best I can to avoid using the world troll, unless it's used in the phrase "trolling for response", because the term has become a generic derogatory label that many just disregard due to over use. But by definition it is what jarvis does. His end goal is to get as much of a negative snowball response going as possible, most likely for his own enjoyment whether recognized as such or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_troll
Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naive questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation.[11]

It's a form of an emotional powerplay where one person acts a specific way to evoke a specific response, thus showing that they have control over the other person. As long as they can continue to create this dynamic, the person doing the power play feels enabled and empowered by the activity, it's a dynamic in which they feel better about themselves. It's important to note that the information involved in the play isn't important, it's the emotional response and outcome. So while uncle jarvis's posts may be contradictory to what he's said previously, the reason behind them is consistent.
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I wasn't taking up for him at all. ;)

I was just saying....

And found it interesting....
 
Ankerson said:
I wasn't taking up for him at all. ;)

I was just saying....

And found it interesting....
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I hate seeing people take that route. Him and others who became long term thorn-in-the-sides for the community have enough experience that their opinions are valuable and worth hearing. If you know what your talking about and have used the knives, I want to hear what you have to say. I didn't like seeing him and walkingman banned, I wanted them to stick around and be active useful members of bladeforums.

I just don't want to deal with the drama :(
 
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I hate seeing people take that route. Him and others who became long term thorn-in-the-sides for the community have enough experience that their opinions are valuable and worth hearing. If you know what your talking about and have used the knives, I want to hear what you have to say. I didn't like seeing him and walkingman banned, I wanted them to stick around and be active useful members of bladeforums.

I just don't want to deal with the drama :(
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I don't like to see anyone get banned like that either. :(
 
Wow do we need 5 pages discussing this? For better or worse UJ isn't here to defend himself. I don't remember the guy and from what I've read in that other forum, I'm not particularly fond of the guy.

But if you want to feel better just go grab your knife and chop something up (pictures or it didn't happen rule applies.) I'm sure nobody here would question the fit and finish and the quality of their knives. And throwing more dirt on a guy deserving or not is not necessary. If you really feel offended by what he said, then dignifying it with a response and your time is just that much worse.

This is turning into group beating of a dead horse. I'm just glad we keep it civil here. I'm all for using a sharp word or two to spice up the conversation, but in that thread it has gotten fairly ridiculous, especially considering its all posted by grown men (granted some of them might be intoxicated.)

I love this place, even though we all have major disagreements and opinions we choose to concentrate on our mutual hobby. And thats what allows us to see past politics, social, and cultural backgrounds, and just enjoy each others company. Lets just get back to our usual wacky/drunken selves.
 
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