Busse or Fehrman knives?

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PatriotDan said:
Based on Vasilli's pictures and my 30 degree convexed GW I micked and calculated some and came to conclusion that the Vasilli's GW edge near the damaged area is fairly close to 30 degree, perhaps a 1 - 3 degree less is possible due to my measurement errors from picture perspective. There's a visible shoulder in the edge if you look at the tip and the edge, it's not a straight V at the tip. Vasilli did say it's somewhat convex because he has rounded the primary edge shoulders. The belly seems close to 25 - 30 degree too due to rounding the shoulders, also visible.

My GW has a 30 degree primary convex at the belly but a more robust 45 degree convex towards the tip. Reason for this is that the tip is often used to yank and pry. I loose finesse but gain durability. I have full trust in my modified GW, INFI gives me this opportunity to increase cutting ability without loosing durability.

The only thing that doesn't go well with me is the foam from the mouths of some that immediately jumped in to a Busse thread outside their usual playground to fight the fight. It's always like this around here.


bastid, may I leave this here? I think it adds to conversation although the wrong trail that it went...
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Just because some people aren't going to let Nozh spew lies and stir crap like Blop did before him doesn't mean we foam. Unless there is beer involved.
which trail is that. No it's the dislike for Busse products that Nozh has that is the issue. He posts a picture of damage to a GW. Take a look at the damage if you aren't blind you can see that the damage is .15 inches as measured on a mic. The edge width is 3 inches as measured on the mic for this zoomed photo. Assuming the edge is 0.2 inches, which according to Nozh it is 0.1 inches, then there is a factor of 15. So the edge damage is 0.01 inches. If you use Nozh measurement of 0.01 inch width, then the edge damage is 0.005 inches. Wow, lets keep this in perspective. Nozh felt he had to trash someones product based on edge damage of 0.005 inches on a knife whos profile he changed drastically? And you defend him. Well, who is frothing at the mouth here?

I felt this should be left in here to correct patriot Dans wrong as well...
 
Fakeducci said:
Just because some people aren't going to let Nozh spew lies and stir crap like Blop did before him doesn't mean we foam. Unless there is beer involved.
which trail is that. No it's the dislike for Busse products that Nozh has that is the issue. He posts a picture of damage to a GW. Take a look at the damage if you aren't blind you can see that the damage is .15 inches as measured on a mic. The edge width is 3 inches as measured on the mic for this zoomed photo. Assuming the edge is 0.2 inches, which according to Nozh it is 0.1 inches, then there is a factor of 15. So the edge damage is 0.01 inches. If you use Nozh measurement of 0.01 inch width, then the edge damage is 0.005 inches. Wow, lets keep this in perspective. Nozh felt he had to trash someones product based on edge damage of 0.005 inches on a knife whos profile he changed drastically? And you defend him. Well, who is frothing at the mouth here?

I felt this should be left in here to correct patriot Dans wrong as well...
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Thanks. I don't agree with Vassili much. I don't agree with his conclusions. That's not what I commented on nor has the arguement revolved around the scale of damage to his GW. But you do further prove my point on what's usual on these threads.
 
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Yeah the Busse NMSFNO is available and you probably won't have to wait more than 2 weeks to get one. The Limited Edition looks outstanding and should compliment your taste for custom 1911's very nicely. Fehrmans look nice and 3V is fine so if the price is right go for it, but you should have at least one INFI blade in your possesion.
 
PatriotDan said:
Thanks. I don't agree with Vassili much. I don't agree with his conclusions. That's not what I commented on nor has the arguement revolved around the scale of damage to his GW. But you do further prove my point on what's usual on these threads.
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as do you. :thumbup:

So your saying that people should just take lies and BS and let it roll? Turn the other cheek? I think not! What right do you have to tell anyone that they should not respond to absurd postings?

If you haven't noticed Dan, this forum is full of type A personalities. Guns, Knives, Trucks, Fast Cars all bring that kind of person out. To say that people should just sit by while someone spews BS, is crazy. I am glad the OP got to see this, because one thing you are correct about is how people come out of the woodwork to Slam Busse when the brand is mentioned. I guess they have an inferiority complex or they more likely the story they are trying to push another product....:rolleyes: So go sell crazy somewhere else cuz I'm all full up.


Nozh posted crap. I posted links to good testing and reviews. What did he do? Nothing.

The last little conflict we had, he had up to 800 samples. I showed how his testing analysis was flawed because he was basing results from zero instead of % change in each knife which is the real value. Who agreed with me. I did that crap for a living my friend, fracture analysis on aircraft nose cones, wing loadings, bridge trusses, building joists, etc.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around pre-Bladeforums, when there was only one Forum, the old now defunct Knifeforums, The Cold Steel, Strider, and Mad Dog threads were crazier than anything that happens today. This was mid to late 90's. I would hate to think that we could let some sawed off runt spew BS and just sit there like good little sheep and take it. Maybe you like to buy stock in KY, but I don't.

this will be my last word on the Nozh subject, unless you wish to continue, since you started in here with no input whatsoever except to talk about individuals, so you definitely have no reason to post.
 
Fakeducci said:
...No it's the dislike for Busse products that Nozh has that is the issue...
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Well, I do not dislike Busse product. I have quite a bit of them. As I sad many times before INFI may very well be best steel for choppers. But for small projects, for small knives - and I continue to state that GW has best design for this task (small projects) and I like it. This is why I asked respectfully several times to make GW in different steel first at Busse forum (an had to leave it after that puting some members in ignore list) and I also asked for this on Swamp Rat.

I tested INFI and I tested INFI several times before - IMHO edge retention not as goos ad Dozier D2, ZDP189 as well as Swamp Rat SR101. I had this accident with that dry wood.

Now does it mean I am Busse hater? No. As well as I am not CRK hater or whatever hater. I may understand with some that INFI is best all around etc. - it depends on what is your all around tasks. But for small home projects I prefer GW with SR101.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
Well, I do not dislike Busse product. I have quite a bit of them. As I sad many times before INFI may very well be best steel for choppers. But for small projects, for small knives - and I continue to state that GW has best design for this task (small projects) and I like it. This is why I asked respectfully several times to make GW in different steel first at Busse forum (an had to leave it after that puting some members in ignore list) and I also asked for this on Swamp Rat.

I tested INFI and I tested INFI several times before - IMHO edge retention not as goos ad Dozier D2, ZDP189 as well as Swamp Rat SR101. I had this accident with that dry wood.

Now does it mean I am Busse hater? No. As well as I am not CRK hater or whatever hater. I may understand with some that INFI is best all around etc. - it depends on what is your all around tasks. But for small home projects I prefer GW with SR101.

Thanks, Vassili.
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Nozh in the hopes of educating you, I will tell you that it is how you come across that is everything. You come across as a pompous azz. you think your testing is the be all end all and it is not. In fact far from it. testing to 200 cuts is like cutting one sheet of cardboard, it really does not say much, but you go around posting the results like that is the final say. Anyone who is looking into Busse or Fehrman is not looking for a filet knife. They are looking for hard use and that is where Busse shines, and so does Fehrman, although not as well. Other knives in that category are forged customs, which no one brings up. there are people on these forums that have been around longer and have forgotten more than you know. Just because you started some testing format does not make you knowledgeable.

you put people on ignore because they disagree with you. How many are on your ignore list? I know at least 2-3 maybe more.
thanks, K. Ducci.;)
 
Vassilli you still havent posted a full picture of the knife in question. I fail to see how this is the same knife. Did you strip it???

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Fakeducci said:
Nozh in the hopes of educating you, I will tell you that it is how you come across that is everything. You come across as a pompous azz. you think your testing is the be all end all and it is not. In fact far from it. testing to 200 cuts is like cutting one sheet of cardboard, it really does not say much, but you go around posting the results like that is the final say. Anyone who is looking into Busse or Fehrman is not looking for a filet knife. They are looking for hard use and that is where Busse shines, and so does Fehrman, although not as well. Other knives in that category are forged customs, which no one brings up. there are people on these forums that have been around longer and have forgotten more than you know. Just because you started some testing format does not make you knowledgeable.

you put people on ignore because they disagree with you. How many are on your ignore list? I know at least 2-3 maybe more.
thanks, K. Ducci.;)
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I do not putting people in ignore list because they dissagree with me. I am OK with people having different opinion then I have. However, not everybody can handle dissagreeng cool and do not switch to matter of discussion on persons involved into discussion. Sometimes it get annoing when some people switch intelligent knife discussion to something very different.

For example you may check CRK discussion. Question was what is so special about Sebi and finally it was answered with great details to everybody pleasure. But before I was again called CRK hater etc... It takes big number of pages to finally came to conclusion and all this because of fan club mentality with warhead logic - "allay-enemy". All this emothion level raised on empty basis is really unneccesary.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
norcalblacktail said:
Vassilli you still havent posted a full picture of the knife in question. I fail to see how this is the same knife. Did you strip it???

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I post two knives second one is knife in question - you may see that horisontal scratch along the edge, but yes I did modified it after this damege happen - I resharpen it again to 30 degree. Sorry. That damage happened 13 Sep 2008.


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Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. On old picture flash is close and reflected from coating - byt you still may see where the coating get stripped from the blade - and it is same as on the second knife.
P.P.S. Actually you may aslso see if look on reflection of the edge that is is convexed.
 
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Fakeducci said:
Just because some people aren't going to let Nozh spew lies and stir crap like Blop did before him doesn't mean we foam. Unless there is beer involved.
which trail is that. No it's the dislike for Busse products that Nozh has that is the issue. He posts a picture of damage to a GW. Take a look at the damage if you aren't blind you can see that the damage is .15 inches as measured on a mic. The edge width is 3 inches as measured on the mic for this zoomed photo. Assuming the edge is 0.2 inches, which according to Nozh it is 0.1 inches, then there is a factor of 15. So the edge damage is 0.01 inches. If you use Nozh measurement of 0.01 inch width, then the edge damage is 0.005 inches. Wow, lets keep this in perspective. Nozh felt he had to trash someones product based on edge damage of 0.005 inches on a knife whos profile he changed drastically? And you defend him. Well, who is frothing at the mouth here?

I felt this should be left in here to correct patriot Dans wrong as well...
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spot on of course
 
So vasili, have you ever done the same thing with another similarly sized knife with the same edge angle? If so what were the results? If not why then use the Busse to do it? I'm just curious as to how or if other blades you may have used on that wood in the same manner may have held up.
 
since this has turned into something other than what the OP was asking.
It is being closed.

The other participants are welcome to start a thread on their now unrelated agendas.
 
I should issue infractions for insults and violation of forum rules.
You clowns are lucky today.
 
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