Busse vs. cardboard ?

[Tankerwolf]

So I thought I would post this here for a more unbiased opinion. I have fallen prey to all the Busse / INFI hype and have been dying to get my hands on a NFBM but I keep reading all these for sale posts that say something like " New never used mint just minor wear from factory cardboard sheath." " minor marks from cardboard sheath other than that mint" ??????????? Supposed to be one of the most bad a$$ knives on the market ........... can cut through a steel chain........ baton a lead pipe .......... JUST DON'T LET IT TOUCH CARDBOARD! .........W.....T......F...? Please some one fill me in. I really like the Busse line but I would be pissed if I paid $700.00 for a knife and the damn cardboard it came in scratched the blade.

 

[Chris Pierce]

If only this was in W&C....if only

 

[Tankerwolf]

Thought about that but i'm not trying to bash Busse it was just an observation I made. If the mods think this should go to W&C feel free to move. ( not that you really need my permision).

 

[Jaxx]

LOL, I can see where your line of thought can come from.

Here's the short answer... the fairly tight cardboard blade sheaths that Busse Combat uses to keep the blade from stabbing through the shipping boxes (hmmm, maybe oughta be called USPS courier protectors?? ) may sometimes leave smoothing marks on the coating here & there on the blade.

Sellers are just providing full discosure to Buyers who may wish to buy an absolutely 100% mint knife for the purpose of keeping it mint in their collection.

It is strictly cosmetic and does not affect the knife at all, especially if you plan to use it. :thumbup:

If only this was in W&C....if only

Nobody's stopping you from posing this question in W&C, so knock yourself out... And I'll be along shortly to give you a W&C worthy answer!

 

[Varulv]

Busse knives are fucking Awesome & Jerry Busse is a Fucking Cool Guy!!!

(( This chump has been banned for scamming and for recent similar, obviously deliberate vulgarity in other forums. -- Esav Benyamin ))

 

[Jaxx]

Yo, Varulv, Language check. Gotta keep it PG-rated in here.

 

[roughedges]

Check GB&U Jaxx. I believe you'll find the reason he's speaking that way in the public forums.

 

[Walkabout]

I agree with Jaxx.

Coated blades in particular may show some evidence of the fact that they have been in a cardboard sheath, even if it's simply some flattening of the wrinkled surface that the coating came with from the shop. A satin blade may show scuff marks, which can be buffed out if needed.

This may be upsetting to a potential buyer, which is fair enough... everyone has different expectations of what they want out of a new knife. For the knife that will be a user, this may not be an issue... but if this will not be used, the scuff may stand out like a pimple on prom night every time you look at it

I've noticed when Jaxx posts a knife for sale, he calls it like it is.... probable actually over-calls it, to be safe... any minor marks etc are pointed out. To me, that's reassuring. The Busse crowd are an interesting blend of beat-the-crap-out-of-it approach and keep-it-perfect approach (not uncommonly buying two of the same knife to accommodate both). When selling to the potential spectrum of buyers, better to completely clear about what they're buying.

 

[Tankerwolf]

O.K. jaxx I understand that the marks are just cosmetic and the buyers are just providing full disclosure but thats like saying " hey this $75,000.00 Audi A4 is in mint working condition but the factory doors only open to 3 1/2 feet so both sides of the car are F&^*ed up, but we think the car is still worth full price". Never mind the fact that you might use the car to pull some kind of bonnie and clyde stunts. I guess my main point is why does the cardboard seem to affect the knife so much. Do they use all their money to produce INFI and then use Wal-mart Paint on the blade?

On a side note my wife said " why don't they wrap their knives in some sort of soft felt." I think I remember seeing a thread asking what can Busse do to improve their knives. Maybe they got the knives right (minus the coating) and need to ship a knife with ...........hmmmmmm I don't know maybe something that will not smooth, scrape, scratch or affect the blade.

Once again I still think that Busse knives are top teir in the knife world and I'm not trying to bash them but ........

 

[Jaxx]

Check GB&U Jaxx. I believe you'll find the reason he's speaking that way in the public forums.

Great, figures... :thumbdn::grumpy: Thanxx for the heads-up on this latest developement in that saga.

 

[Varulv]

Fuck the usa fuck the usa ||||||||||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(( banned banned ||||||||||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ))

 

[Tankerwolf]

Thank you for your contribution to my post Varulv. I understand your frustration. I would also be pissed off and jealous of the U.S. if I lived in Canada.

 

[Jaxx]

O.K. jaxx I understand that the marks are just cosmetic and the buyers are just providing full disclosure but thats like saying " hey this $75,000.00 Audi A4 is in mint working condition but the factory doors only open to 3 1/2 feet so both sides of the car are F&^*ed up, but we think the car is still worth full price". Never mind the fact that you might use the car to pull some kind of bonnie and clyde stunts. I guess my main point is why does the cardboard seem to affect the knife so much. Do they use all their money to produce INFI and then use Wal-mart Paint on the blade?

On a side note my wife said " why don't they wrap their knives in some sort of soft felt." I think I remember seeing a thread asking what can Busse do to improve their knives. Maybe they got the knives right (minus the coating) and need to ship a knife with ...........hmmmmmm I don't know maybe something that will not smooth, scrape, scratch or affect the blade.

Once again I still think that Busse knives are top teir in the knife world and I'm not trying to bash them but ........

LOL, if you take cardboard to almost any knife out there by any maker that isn't so hard as to be brittle, and rub it... you will notice that it will cause minor smoothing to knife coatings ( these spots will appear "shiny" and it will leave fine scratches on satin finishes. Cardboard is rough and fibrous. Heck, I use some to touch up edges on my knives.

Like many makers Jerry sells knives to be used, but there are some of us who collect them as well as use them. That's why he, and most makers don't ship knives in felt unless the knife is an art piece meant for display and not use.

 

[Jaxx]

F*** the usa f*** the usa ||||||||||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your contribution to my post Varulv. I understand your frustration. I would also be pissed off and jealous of the U.S. if I lived in Canada.

Don't mind him, Tankerwolf... He's just been exposed as a repeat offending scamming thief here on the Forum and is just being an azz at this point.

 

[Tankerwolf]

Alright I guess I'm thinking of this from too much of a business point of view then. Is it too much for these makers to put a .75 cent piece of cheap felt on the inside of their cardboard sheath for a $700.00 knife so that the person buying it new or trying to resell it to make a house payment doesn't have to worry about a scratched coating?

edit: It opens it up to a broader market by means of not having to worry about any cosmetic imperfections on an otherwise unused knife.

 

[Thalestin]

Thank you for your contribution to my post Varulv. I understand your frustration. I would also be pissed off and jealous of the U.S. if I lived in Canada.

Watch your words man. There are many canadians that contribute to these forums--myself included. Canada and the USA are both great places to live--don't be dumb and feed trolls because they just spit the food back at ya

 

[Thalestin]

Alright I guess I'm thinking of this from too much of a business point of view then. Is it too much for these makers to put a .75 cent piece of cheap felt on the inside of their cardboard sheath for a $700.00 knife so that the person buying it new or trying to resell it to make a house payment doesn't have to worry about a scratched coating?

I think busse really focuses on making knives that are to be used. Most people don't care much about a blemish anyways and they do nt tend to destroy the value too much from what ive seen.

I really like busse and they have quite a following for a reason I think. If you don't like the scratches just buy a different knife imo. Personally I coldnt care less as I love to use my knives. I can understand how it could be annoying though.

 

[Tankerwolf]

AHHHH Sorry Thalestin. I do take comments about the U.S. personally as I have spilled and shed blood for my country. I also have been to Canada and find it to be a beautiful country and have never met ( until now, thanks varulv ) anyone that I have not liked. I am truly sorry if I offended anyone except vulnar.

edit: oops varuvl

edit: oh sorry verlv

edit: who cares

 

[Jaxx]

Alright I guess I'm thinking of this from too much of a business point of view then. Is it too much for these makers to put a .75 cent piece of cheap felt on the inside of their cardboard sheath for a $700.00 knife so that the person buying it new or trying to resell it to make a house payment doesn't have to worry about a scratched coating?

edit: It opens it up to a broader market by means of not having to worry about any cosmetic imperfections on an otherwise unused knife.

The cardboard sheaths (I guess that I should say "sleeves") are mass produced by an outside company, and I couldn't even tell you if they had knives in mind when they started making them. It is better than what Busse used to use... Which was USPS priority boxes cut up into "sleeves". USPS boxes really left many more 'blemishes' as they were even cheaper/rougher (but I've found that they do well for edge touch-ups), so this is a good step in the right direction. :thumbup: There are only a few different sizes, so some knives fit well, others rather tight-fitting, but too loose in the next size up. Really, I don't see many that ship to me with these scratches or 'blemishes' (and I have a lot of Busse's), and believe that the Seller(s) on the Exchange is/are just trying to be as honest as can be in the description of the knife he/she is trying to sell.

 

[1kimo4u]

if no one mentioned the smoothing, having never owned a busse, you wouldn't know the difference. you are making something out of nothing.