Busse vs. cardboard ?

[roughedges]

Maybe they got the knives right (minus the coating)

I do think that the felt is a good idea, or at least not at all a bad one, but I've got to say that you really have nothing to worry about. Busse's coatings are nearly as tough as the knives themselves. I've beat the ever loving crap out of this one and the coating still looks pretty good.

It's smoothed some, sure. Rubbed off some... but, if you'd seen the type of things that I've done with it, I think you'd be shocked, or at least impressed, with how good it looks. Eventually, I suspect I'll wear off even more of the coating but I'm actually looking forward to it.

 

[Tankerwolf]

mmmm roughedges I don't want to mix battle scars with the condition of the knife when you first receive it. I will beat the crap out of a knife and love the marks that are left. I don't want to look at my knife and think ....oh yeah thats where I batoned through that tree i found in pine mountain ... thats where I chopped down that tree that took me three hours to get through ...... thats where I chipped through two foot thick ice...and that's where the cardboard it came in smoothed the coating down. That just doesn't seem right.

As a side note ..... I would like to hear what you've done to that knife it looks like it's been through some hell.

ohhhhh side side note ..new thread.

 

[1kimo4u]

op- roughedges coating is far more than smoothed . you look at the blade when you get it from the bcs or straight from busse combat, it'll look minty fresh. just like any other knife that's coated from any other maker. you are reading too much into the sellers description.

maybe you should just buy from the busse combat site or the bcs. then you'll be getting it staight from the source. no middleman.

like i said earlier, you're making much out of nothing.

ps- maybe you should do your homework on the subject you wish to know about. cruise the busse subforum. look at the pics only thread (sticky). in fact read all the stickies. some good hogs have gone out of their way to answer your question here. lots of knowledge. as someone who hasn't handled one yet (you), maybe you should take the advise given, or just don't buy.

 

[roughedges]

and that's where the cardboard it came in smoothed the coating down. That just doesn't seem right.

As a side note ..... I would like to hear what you've done to that knife it looks like it's been through some hell.

I really don't think you need to take the "warning" about cardboard sheaths as a cause for concern. I always viewed it as a joke meant to indicate that the knife had really never been used. I've seen kydex smooth the coating (a very little bit) on a Busse knife but never noticed it with cardboard.

As for my knife, shortly after I got it I used it to take apart a laurel oak, all but the thickest section of trunk which got chainsawed after I got my mitts on one. Many other assorted trees and/or limbs, too. Been thrown hundreds of times, often at australian pine, one of the species commonly called ironwood. After a hurricane, I hammered it between the twin trunks of a florida holly that had twisted around each other and used it to pry them apart. To loosen up hardpack rocky soil because it's a more entertaining chore that way than with a post hole digger... to knock out bondo because it's more fun than a hammer. I used it to take a wedge out of a truck's cab bushing so I could get at the bolt which had rusted solid, using a torch would have been much easier but it had a gas line right near it. Dozens of feet of bamboo split, two large pine trunks debarked for a friend who was wanting to build some wing chun dummies and surely a lot more that I can't think of at the moment.

Much paper and cardboard has definitely been turned into little slivers, that's one my girlfriend always rolls her eyes at.

 

[Chiller2]

O.K. jaxx I understand that the marks are just cosmetic and the buyers are just providing full disclosure but thats like saying " hey this $75,000.00 Audi A4 is in mint working condition but the factory doors only open to 3 1/2 feet so both sides of the car are F&^*ed up, but we think the car is still worth full price". Never mind the fact that you might use the car to pull some kind of bonnie and clyde stunts. I guess my main point is why does the cardboard seem to affect the knife so much. Do they use all their money to produce INFI and then use Wal-mart Paint on the blade?

On a side note my wife said " why don't they wrap their knives in some sort of soft felt." I think I remember seeing a thread asking what can Busse do to improve their knives. Maybe they got the knives right (minus the coating) and need to ship a knife with ...........hmmmmmm I don't know maybe something that will not smooth, scrape, scratch or affect the blade.

Once again I still think that Busse knives are top teir in the knife world and I'm not trying to bash them but ........

No its like saying you have a mint Audi but there is a small smudge on the bumper it does not affect function in any way. If somebody is buying the car to drive they won't care but if they are buying to exhibit in a museum they will.

 

[enderwiggin]

No its like saying you have a mint Audi but there is a small smudge on the bumper it does not affect function in any way. If somebody is buying the car to drive they won't care but if they are buying to exhibit in a museum they will.

I dunno, I get pretty annoyed at smudges on the bumper of my bargain budget car

I've been surprised how brutal cutting cardboard can be on knives. For one thing, paper and cardboard dull a sharp edge surprisingly fast. It's common knowledge that they're hard on sharp blades, but still.

Cardboard boxes also pick up a lot of grit and dirt, especially if the box has been sitting in a warehouse somewhere for a while. It's like cutting through a piece of used sandpaper.

 

[LX_Emergency]

I have to say I kind of agree with tankerwolf on this one. Although the blade may not be damaged when you finally get it. You at least expect it to look as if no-one handled it so far. If the cardboard damages it...then why not at least put some plastic/bubble wrap/felt/soft tissue/think of your own way to do it in there?

I mean it's not like your buying a cheap chinese copy. But new knives reflect your company. I'm sure they're great and all. I have nothing against Busse. But on any other knife people would most likely be telling you to contact customer service and get a new one.

 

[1kimo4u]

this is smoothed but unused, carried, or sharpened. bottom one.

can you tell the difference?

 

[akadave2]

Meh...Busse's get better when they are scratched! Hell, Ive never seen a knife keep so much of its value even after being used hard, having the edge geometry changed or reworked. They tend to defy traditional collecting philosophy...which is fine for me...I use almost all of mine.

 

[Jaxx]

I have to say I kind of agree with tankerwolf on this one. Although the blade may not be damaged when you finally get it. You at least expect it to look as if no-one handled it so far. If the cardboard damages it...then why not at least put some plastic/bubble wrap/felt/soft tissue/think of your own way to do it in there?

I mean it's not like your buying a cheap chinese copy. But new knives reflect your company. I'm sure they're great and all. I have nothing against Busse. But on any other knife people would most likely be telling you to contact customer service and get a new one.

Again & for the record... It is a rare thing. If one is received and the person who bought it is not satisfied because it got scratched or whatnot, Busse WILL try make it right with the buyer. When it is shipped, it is placed in a cardboard sleeve, wrapped up in a large sheet of shipping paper, then this is wrapped in plastic wrap and placed in the box with paper stuffed all around to provide ample protection during shipping.

Many times this smoothing that Tankerwolf asks about concerning Busse's sold on the X is because the previous owner unsheathed & sheathed the knife several times or more before reselling...

As I posted before, many folks who sell on the Busse sub-X are just trying to be as honest in the description as possible. I will do the same thing if I am trying to sell a knife that I know has some minor scratching in a satin finish, for instance. I will show the scratches at their worst in pix, and have had a couple of Buyers tell me that when they received these, that the scratching was not anywhere near as dramatic as I showed them to be.

 

[enderwiggin]

As I posted before, many folks who sell on the Busse sub-X are just trying to be as honest in the description as possible. I will do the same thing if I am trying to sell a knife that I know has some minor scratching in a satin finish, for instance. I will show the scratches at their worst in pix, and have had a couple of Buyers tell me that when they received these, that the scratching was not anywhere near as dramatic as I showed them to be.

That's the only way to do it, selling any knife :thumbup:

Let the buyer know ahead of time what flaws there are, even if you don't think they'll even notice--and you'll always have a happy buyer!

As far as the coating, IMO, scratches and wear look great on a coated blade.

 

[LX_Emergency]

Again & for the record... It is a rare thing. If.........(piece of text in large and odd lettering) ....g was not anywhere near as dramatic as I showed them to be.

That's fine. And I'm not ripping on Busse per sé. It's just as the OP said. Something they COULD improve. No company is perfect they should however be striving to be so in what they do.

 

[saw45]

Tankerwolf said: "AHHHH Sorry Thalestin. I do take comments about the U.S. personally."

Seems to me that taking comments about the U.S. personally, and responding in kind with snide remarks, lowers you to his level, with neither commenter to be taken seriously.

Also, how is the "obviously deliberate vulgarity" as said by Esav Benyamin, any different then these words you wrote in your supposed apology?

"I am truly sorry if I offended anyone except vulva.", "edit: who the f&*^ really cares"

Not everyone that reads this forum is an adult nor male. Pay attention please!

 

[Stainz]

I can't afford a Busse - but even I know why they shouldn't be used on cardboard.

Ever see a cardboard Packard or Studebaker you need to field strip/clean?

Either that, or INFI is allergic to cardboard...

In talking with John Greco a few years back at a show, he told me he edges on cardboard and touches up on his pant legs. I guess he gets bored at the shows! Where is he - I haven't seen him in quite a while?

Stainz

 

[Tankerwolf]

My bad saw45. You are right. Post has been edited. I was drinking last night and that comment kinda ercked me.

 

[Buffalohump]

I dont see how drawing a knife out of a cardboard sheath would affect the coating in any way. Kydex sure, but cardboard? That is, unless the knife was inserted into the sheath while the coating was still 'wet'.

What amazes me about Busse's is how many are sold as mint. For a so-called hard use knife they dont seem to be getting used much by the people that buy them!

I bought a used Battle Mistress and I'm still using it. When it gets sold (if it gets sold) one day, it will damn sure be used!

 

[1kimo4u]

Alright I guess I'm thinking of this from too much of a business point of view then. Is it too much for these makers to put a .75 cent piece of cheap felt on the inside of their cardboard sheath for a $700.00 knife so that the person buying it new or trying to resell it to make a house payment doesn't have to worry about a scratched coating?

edit: It opens it up to a broader market by means of not having to worry about any cosmetic imperfections on an otherwise unused knife.

busse combat's business model is doing just fine (imo). i heard that they had one of the most active booths at blade. they sell out all their inventory in the ganzaaa's (even shutting down the forums at times). the resale tends to be better than average.

funny how a recently new guy here can give a maker (with over 2 decades in business) advise on his business model. the same guy who has never held a busse knows more than the ones who own. not that you're bashing.......

many buyers of busse buy several at a time, thus the mint ones selling on the secondary market.

 

[J85909266]

I have never seen the coating damaged from the knife being shipped in the sleeve. I have seen a bit of smoothing from being repeatedly taken in and out of the sleeve numerous times if the fit is tight, but never straight out of the box.

It's a non-issue.

 

[longbeachguy]

I have never seen the coating damaged from the knife being shipped in the sleeve. I have seen a bit of smoothing from being repeatedly taken in and out of the sleeve numerous times if the fit is tight, but never straight out of the box.

It's a non-issue.

Even though we're just talking about coating, cardboard will scratch any knife if subjected to frequent friction with it. Cardboard contains silicates that are harder than any steel, which is why it will dull edges, and can also be used to strop steel blades.

 

[J85909266]

Even though we're just talking about coating, cardboard will scratch any knife if subjected to frequent friction with it. Cardboard contains silicates that are harder than any steel, which is why it will dull edges, and can also be used to strop steel blades.

:thumbup:

I strop my knives on cardboard to keep them cutting at work all the time and to great effect.

I've even see cardboard scratch ZDP-189, so I know it's serious stuff.