Busse Website Update, Offerings, & Rambling Thoughts!!!

[KnifeAddictAK]

Jerry just gave the go ahead on production Piano Keys.

Saddle up Mike.

Bwhaahahahhaha... That pic never gets old

 

[RVO3VOM]

Mike is busy at the moment. No time for those skinny piano keys.
Don't worry; I'll post pics of the latest project once its finished.

As for the AKs, I'm in for two. :thumbup: But which combinations?

 

[rbmcmjr]

Mike is busy at the moment. No time for those skinny piano keys.
Don't worry; I'll post pics of the latest project once its finished.

Whacha got cookin'?

As for the AKs, I'm in for two. :thumbup: But which combinations?

Duh! It's obvious. Black with tan and vice versa.

Rick - Inquiring minds, etc.

 

[RVO3VOM]

Whacha got cookin'?

We're keeping it on the QT until the finished pics are available.

Duh! It's obvious. Black with tan and vice versa.

That sounds like a great way to drink stout and ale.

I'm leaning towards the Black w/ Tiger Hide Canvas Micarta & the Olive Drab w/ the unusual Black and Green G-10.

Of course that will probably change a few dozen times between now and Monday.

~Drew

 

[David Brown]

And here I have been ing around buying skeleton keys up like crazy


How about anorexic keys ? Anorexkeys ? 1/8"

Any how I will take one of each color

 

[TomF]

Well, if Jerry can post random thoughts about all kinds of stuff after having one too many beers, than so can I. And if it gets me banned from Bladeforums, then so be it.

Personally, I think this is all a huge load of BS.

Some of us here have bought many things directly from Busse Combat, and some of us have only been able to find one or two blades on the after market when funds allowed. Unfortunately, I fall into the latter category. But we all hope to be able to buy the best knives we can. And we all agree that Busse makes great knives. Perhaps not the best, but certainly great, and far better than most.

But I have now finally lost all my patience.

We were told that there is a new production protocol at Busse Combat. That protocol went out the window and onto the $&(#pile after only a few weeks. We were told that the "greatest using knife in the world," the Fusion Battle Mistress, would be in production within a few months. After two years we are still waiting. We were told that the "greatest folding knife ever made" would be in production within a year, and we are still waiting.

Now we are told that Busse is trying to fill civilian orders in between military requests. I'm sorry, but that is a totally lame excuse. I agree that our servicemen need the best equipment they can get, and as soon as they can get it. But my money is just as green as theirs, and if Busse Combat wants to concentrate on fulfilling military orders to the detriment of their civilian buyers, that, I suppose is Busse's choice. However, sensible business people would EXPAND PRODUCTION to fulfill the demand, not stifle demand to fit in with available production.

And now we have the AK-47. Without doubt the most efficient brush-clearing device ever sold for over $500, but utterly useless for anything else, and indeed illegal in many states for virtually anything at all. The FBM is now over two years overdue, the folder is completely in limbo and we get...yard utensils.

In the time that I have been waiting for the crew at Busse Combat to finally bring out the knives that they have promised, I have had many changes in my life, some good, most bad, but I have also started several new hobbies. Which means that my interest in knives, the time I can devote to them, as well as the disposable income I have for them, is dwindling rapidly.

I have handled blades by Jerry Hossom in CPM-3V and heat treated by Paul Bos. I have tried other blades in S30V and other steels, both custom and mass production. I have been eyeing the FBM for some time because Mr. Hossom put a two-plus year hold on accepting new orders due to the backlog he had. Guess what? That period is nearly over. Mr. Hossom expects to start taking new orders by the end of 2005. His American Bolo sells for $600 in CPM-3V, and is a completely custom piece (I have estimated that the FBM with magnum scales and double cut fininsh would be not too far behind). And other makers are beginning to move some custom designs into the mass market arena ( A rather bad example of which is Trace Rinaldi's Armageddon. Great design, but lousy steel in the mass market version. Still, you can buy one as they are actually available.)

And I'm very sorry to have to say this to all the "true believers," but I have put CPM-3V against INFI in some informal but fairly rigorous tests of my own. 3V beat INFI every time, in every way (except ease of sharpening. But fortunately, 3V doesn't need to be sharpened as often).

It seems I will be able to get one of Mr. Hossom's blades sooner than I could get a Busse. I did not intend for this to happen, but the situation is out of my hands. I do not need too many $500+ knives around the house in case of emergencies. And I certainly don't need an AK-47. What I need, and what I have been waiting for, is for Mr. Busse to adhere to his public promises and deliver what we have been told will be produced. That no longer seems like it will happen any time soon. I have a couple of Busses, but it seems that is all I will ever have.

You may take considerable offense to this post. None is intended. I am just tired of empty promises. If you feel you need to flame me to a cinder, or whatever, be my guest. I won't be reading. What little time, and money, I have left to devote to knives will from now on be spent elsewhere.

Tom

 

[Walking Man]

TomF, the first thing that comes to my mind is:
"Don't the let door hit you on your a$$ on the way out"
But since I'm actually somewhat polite, I'll add that you haven't done your homework. Jerry is what he is. If you're impatient, you're going to have to hit the road, and that's all there is to it. Enjoy those hossoms.

 

[DirtDiver]

You know what pal, just move along. None of us want to waste our time replying to an idiot like you. If you have a problem with Jerry, call the shop, but don't come in here and insult Jerry or his product!

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

Tom.... It's a shame to hear your dissapointment. Hopefully down the road, things will come together for you when the FBM is finally released.

Hope your days are fruitful and your knives sharp...

 

[Eric Isaacson]

Everyone needs to remember to be nice and cordial. We are all guests on this forum. We can disagree with each other and do it politely without hostility.

Tom can have his opinion, it does not affect mine and I honestly don't think tentative schedules posted on an internet forum can be construed as "promises" but rather possible schedules to aid in our planning (and saving) for upcoming pieces we might be interested in.

Of course you can buy anything you would like, as can we, however, it was my understanding that Jerry Hossom has retired and is not accepting new orders (of course I could be completely wrong) however, that is how it appeared when he posted the announcement on the Custom Forum

I think I'll wait for the Fusion Battle Mistress and not question Jerry Busse's business practices as it is his business and he can run it like he wants. When he starts selling stock, I'll buy some and then maybe I can tell him how to run his business.

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

Everyone needs to remember to be nice and cordial. We are all guests on this forum. We can disagree with each other and do it politely without hostility.

Tom can have his opinion, it does not affect mine and I honestly don't think tentative schedules posted on an internet forum can be construed as "promises" but rather possible schedules to aid in our planning (and saving) for upcoming pieces we might be interested in.

Of course you can buy anything you would like, as can we, however, it was my understanding that Jerry Hossom has retired and is not accepting new orders (of course I could be completely wrong) however, that is how it appeared when he posted the announcement on the Custom Forum

I think I'll wait for the Fusion Battle Mistress and not question Jerry Busse's business practices as it is his business and he can run it like he wants. When he starts selling stock, I'll buy some and then maybe I can tell him how to run his business.

Extremely well put.

Jerry's selling stock? Jerry... Send me 20 pieces of Infi 2" x 1/2" x 20"

You meant bar stock didn't you?

 

[Josh Muller]

Now we are told that Busse is trying to fill civilian orders in between military requests. I'm sorry, but that is a totally lame excuse. I agree that our servicemen need the best equipment they can get, and as soon as they can get it. But my money is just as green as theirs, and if Busse Combat wants to concentrate on fulfilling military orders to the detriment of their civilian buyers, that, I suppose is Busse's choice. However, sensible business people would EXPAND PRODUCTION to fulfill the demand, not stifle demand to fit in with available production.

one possible argument to this - if jerry is already overloaded by the current situation, one can only assume that hiring 3 new shop foreman who can oversee iether the complete operations of a section of the shop, or the entire shop, but dedicated to one area, plus buying a new shop space, plus buying new equipment *wich - even if the bussiness is booming at 600% capacity - may not be financially feasible*, plus setting up an entirely new set of protocols to use the new foreman/shop equipment/space/employees

certainly wouldnt help the fact that he's overloaded. it would mean a complete dead stop in almost all production for probably a good year straight.

and who is to say that he is not expanding production? you cant simply be able to double or triple your production out put over night.

if jerry puts our military before any and all civilian orders - i cannot blame him. it is in their place that the knives will get used to their fullest, it is in their place that they will need them more then any civilian here in the states.

And now we have the AK-47. Without doubt the most efficient brush-clearing device ever sold for over $500, but utterly useless for anything else, and indeed illegal in many states for virtually anything at all. The FBM is now over two years overdue, the folder is completely in limbo and we get...yard utensils.

chances are the ak47 will be quite akward for yard use, as the handle will be an ubstruction to the flor of your arm when using it one handed like a machete in a choked up grip. were you to use it in a choked down grip, i would assume it would get to heavy very quickly, having all of the weight so far from the hand.

for those who do like swords - this will be the highest performance sword of all time. it is not just a once in a lifetime chance at such a peice of equipement, but it is also the epiphiny of science. am i exagerating here? probably, a sword on many levels is just a sword.

I have handled blades by Jerry Hossom in CPM-3V and heat treated by Paul
And I'm very sorry to have to say this to all the "true believers," but I have put CPM-3V against INFI in some informal but fairly rigorous tests of my own. 3V beat INFI every time, in every way (except ease of sharpening. But fortunately, 3V doesn't need to be sharpened as often).

there is 2 things that infi can offer that are unique. it does not chip, ever, even at a high hardness. it requires a high amount of pressure to get it to flex, and when it flex's past its ability to return to true - it takes a set.

infi will probably wear down faster then other high alloy steels (become dull or non sharp), and it will probably dent out easier then other high alloy steels, when they are at the same hardness as infi (60rc). however - should you hit a small rock, a wire, a cured bone - those other alloys are more likely to take serious damage such as chipping and fracturing. if you have to pry something up, for whatever reason, you are more likely to break other high alloy steels then infi at the same through hardness (60rc), because infi will take a set before it breaks, giving you a sign before catastrophic failure.

BUT. in use it wont seem to be anything all that grand. it is the toughest knife steel available - that doesnt mean it is the best in edge holding, or in dent resistance. it will dent out easily, and it will lose its edge.

but it wont ever break. that is the value of infi.


as far as jerry not releasing the bm on time, and not keeping schedule, i dont care. all i care about is that it eventually becomes available, and so far thats happened for everything i've wanted. the sword is one of them. the fusion battle mistress will eventually come about - but jerry can only do so much. i fully beleive that when he says that he hopes a knife will be available in 3 weeks, at that time it is most likely that it will be available in 3 weeks given the situation at the shop. but life rarely goes the way you want it to - shipments get lost, priorities have to be rearanged, things break down. you just have to do your best to try to fixed the mistakes as the come to you.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

So, Now I am completely in love with this AK47, but I am stuck without immediate funds :barf: Its making me sick thinking I will miss this offering! Is this only a one time thing? I NEED ONE!!!!! Why did I have to buy that GLOCK? :barf:

 

[randucci]

Gee, where do I start in response to TomFs post..............
This is the USA and we are free to buy and sell what we want. That means if I want to purchase a certain knife I can, if I want to produce and sell a knife I can. No one is forcing anyone to purchase a specific knife here on BF or in any other way, and no one is forcing Busse or any other maker to produce a certain product/knife. It is all about market and demand, some products make it and some don't. I don't "need" Busse knives , I want them, I also purchase knives from other makers, it is my decision to make. If the supply and the demand for Busse knives halts, I guess Busse knives will go out of business, I doubt if it will. I don't look at the schedule that Busse published as a promise, only what at a moment in time Jerry thought he could do. If I had to think about what I was going to do in the future and produce a schedule and stick to it, I would be in big trouble, things happen, like WARS, it has changed all of our lives.

Like I said before, I don't need Busse knives (or any other makers knives) to live my day to day life, I collect them as a hobby and enjoy the other people who do also, I just look forward to the next offering and go from there. Who knows, my life may move on in the future also and I will not collect Busse knives any longer, at that time I guess I will have a BIG sale.................................





BWAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA.................... fat chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

Like I said before, I don't need Busse knives (or any other makers knives) to live my day to day life, I collect them as a hobby and enjoy the other people who do also, I just look forward to the next offering and go from there. Who knows, my life may move on in the future also and I will not collect Busse knives any longer, at that time I guess I will have a BIG sale.................................

Thanks man... That's touching. Now when's your big sale?

(And still waiting on my guy to show up with my piece )

 

[Jerry Busse]

TomF,

I see that you've only posted 6 other times in the past 3 1/2 years. Geez, thanks for stopping by! . . .errrrr. . . . I think. . .

Here are few quick rambling responses of my own.

INFI has repeatedly spanked 3V in side-by-side comparison tests. No maker or manufacturer who uses 3V has ever attempted to duplicate INFI's publicly proven performance in a "LIVE" performance test . . . . EVER!!! Do you know why???. . . . We sure do. . . .

Earlier this summer, Hossom announced that he's basically quitting knifemaking and canceling all unpaid, outstanding orders. . . Uh oh! Now whatever will you do? Perhaps you should tear him up on his forum for breaking his promise

The new "AK-47" was not designed to be "the most efficient brush-clearing device ever sold". . . . it was designed to be a sword. . . NOT a machete! . . . .

As for your post in general, and particularly where you say you're not going to be back to respond, let me just point out that vandals do this kind of crap. They vandalize someone's property, in this case it's our reputation, and then they go hide because they don't have the berries to step up. If you do, somehow, find your berries and would like to tell me how a knifemaker, who you have NEVER bought a knife directly from, has caused you so much pain and suffering, you can feel free to call me at (419) 923-6471. Better yet, I'll be more than happy to call you. Just email me your "real" name and phone number at jerry@bussecombat.com and put the words "I FOUND MY BERRIES!!! in the subject line. I'll be sure to respond.

Maybe you just need a hug!

Jerry

 

[Crushenator 500]

*snip*

How much for the mojo le?

 

[thatmguy]

Well, if Jerry can post random thoughts about all kinds of stuff after having one too many beers, than so can I. And if it gets me banned from Bladeforums, then so be it.

Personally, I think this is all a huge load of BS.

Some of us here have bought many things directly from Busse Combat, and some of us have only been able to find one or two blades on the after market when funds allowed. Unfortunately, I fall into the latter category. But we all hope to be able to buy the best knives we can. And we all agree that Busse makes great knives. Perhaps not the best, but certainly great, and far better than most.

But I have now finally lost all my patience.

We were told that there is a new production protocol at Busse Combat. That protocol went out the window and onto the $&(#pile after only a few weeks. We were told that the "greatest using knife in the world," the Fusion Battle Mistress, would be in production within a few months. After two years we are still waiting. We were told that the "greatest folding knife ever made" would be in production within a year, and we are still waiting.

Now we are told that Busse is trying to fill civilian orders in between military requests. I'm sorry, but that is a totally lame excuse. I agree that our servicemen need the best equipment they can get, and as soon as they can get it. But my money is just as green as theirs, and if Busse Combat wants to concentrate on fulfilling military orders to the detriment of their civilian buyers, that, I suppose is Busse's choice. However, sensible business people would EXPAND PRODUCTION to fulfill the demand, not stifle demand to fit in with available production.

And now we have the AK-47. Without doubt the most efficient brush-clearing device ever sold for over $500, but utterly useless for anything else, and indeed illegal in many states for virtually anything at all. The FBM is now over two years overdue, the folder is completely in limbo and we get...yard utensils.

In the time that I have been waiting for the crew at Busse Combat to finally bring out the knives that they have promised, I have had many changes in my life, some good, most bad, but I have also started several new hobbies. Which means that my interest in knives, the time I can devote to them, as well as the disposable income I have for them, is dwindling rapidly.

I have handled blades by Jerry Hossom in CPM-3V and heat treated by Paul Bos. I have tried other blades in S30V and other steels, both custom and mass production. I have been eyeing the FBM for some time because Mr. Hossom put a two-plus year hold on accepting new orders due to the backlog he had. Guess what? That period is nearly over. Mr. Hossom expects to start taking new orders by the end of 2005. His American Bolo sells for $600 in CPM-3V, and is a completely custom piece (I have estimated that the FBM with magnum scales and double cut fininsh would be not too far behind). And other makers are beginning to move some custom designs into the mass market arena ( A rather bad example of which is Trace Rinaldi's Armageddon. Great design, but lousy steel in the mass market version. Still, you can buy one as they are actually available.)

And I'm very sorry to have to say this to all the "true believers," but I have put CPM-3V against INFI in some informal but fairly rigorous tests of my own. 3V beat INFI every time, in every way (except ease of sharpening. But fortunately, 3V doesn't need to be sharpened as often).

It seems I will be able to get one of Mr. Hossom's blades sooner than I could get a Busse. I did not intend for this to happen, but the situation is out of my hands. I do not need too many $500+ knives around the house in case of emergencies. And I certainly don't need an AK-47. What I need, and what I have been waiting for, is for Mr. Busse to adhere to his public promises and deliver what we have been told will be produced. That no longer seems like it will happen any time soon. I have a couple of Busses, but it seems that is all I will ever have.

You may take considerable offense to this post. None is intended. I am just tired of empty promises. If you feel you need to flame me to a cinder, or whatever, be my guest. I won't be reading. What little time, and money, I have left to devote to knives will from now on be spent elsewhere.

Tom

Saved for posterity's sake.

Personally, I think this is all a huge load of BS.

You introduced your post quite accurately.

I hope that your view of the world improves.

Also, please post such views in the GB&U from here on out, where they belong.

Thank you.

 

[ejskle]

..........

 

[Cobalt]

I find it amazing that Busse never gets involved in heated discussions, but others always find it necessary to slam him or his product. I guess that is a sign of envy.

In any case back to 3V. Do you think 3V can best INFI? 3V is a very good steel, probably one of the better CPM steels and maybe the best of the CPM's. I still have a little skepticism about Paticle Metallurgy. I am of the old school, that if it wasn't rolled in a reduction mill I am wary of it. I prefer Rolled/machined stock to Castings any time, since they are inherently stronger. Particle Metallurgy is a casting of Powder at high pressure and temp and it seems to work, so far.

Go ask any knifemaker who has worked with 3V and other steels including INFI. The same knifemakers that work all day with CPM steels will not refinish an INFI knife because it eats up their belts. The steel has wear resistance on Par with Stellite 6K and toughness on par with forged 52100 and stain resistance on par with D-2/ATS-34, all rolled up in one steel. You will not find a more well rounded steel out there.

TomF, I feel your pain when it comes to long waits. But they are worth it. Hell, it gives me time to save my pennies. I do have som knives made out of 3V which are extremely tough, heat treated by Paul Bros, designed by me and made by Bill Hankins. I am sure these knives will live up to every expectation, but so will my Busses.