Busse's New Bushwacker

Toucan Oasis said:
Nice. And only costs as much as a hi powered rifle .:jerkit:
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Yep, and worth every penny:D Wish I could get one without having to sell anything off:foot:

I like the ghetto satin, Horn Dog:thumbup: Looks good, and I get the impression these are real close in feeling to the SHBM-though these may even work better at some things:cool:
 
Toucan Oasis said:
Nice. And only costs as much as a hi powered rifle .:jerkit:
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Hey Toucan,

Just for the record, I don't own one, maybe never will, but I'm curious - why does the price bug you so much? You don't have to buy one, and God knows there are tons of lesser priced knives, that may be as good or even better (not trying to start a flame war, all you Busse guys, so let it go).

I'm not trying to get in your face, but I really am curious.

Doc
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Hey Toucan,

Just for the record, I don't own one, maybe never will, but I'm curious - why does the price bug you so much?
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Several possible reasons.

1.) Because every time a Busse knife shows up here, someone has to split their drawers over the price.

2.) Doesn't realize that the high-end knives can, indeed, outperform a $6 knife.

3.) Is part of the shabby chic crowd that finds nobility in using the absolute minimum and thinks anything else is a waste.

4.) Is jealous.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
Several possible reasons.

1.) Because every time a Busse knife shows up here, someone has to split their drawers over the price.

2.) Doesn't realize that the high-end knives can, indeed, outperform a $6 knife.

3.) Is part of the shabby chic crowd that finds nobility in using the absolute minimum and thinks anything else is a waste.

4.) Is jealous.
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Thanks Cpl, but I am really interested in hearing Toucan's reasons.

Doc
 
So am I, those seem to cover the species in general.

He seems to disdain much about America (don't know if that translates to Canada as well) so I suspect that may color his view a bit.

But yeah Toucan, we would like to hear your reasons.
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Hey Toucan,

Just for the record, I don't own one, maybe never will, but I'm curious - why does the price bug you so much? You don't have to buy one, and God knows there are tons of lesser priced knives, that may be as good or even better (not trying to start a flame war, all you Busse guys, so let it go).

I'm not trying to get in your face, but I really am curious.

Doc
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Well. I'm a gunsmith, machinist, and a pretty good furniture builder and carpenter and common sense tells me 22 inches of any kind of steel,ground into a machete form, with an artificial material for handles is ridiculous.
I mean get real. Companies can produce a firearm, which is a hell of a lot more work, insurance,engineering, talent, equipment etc. than a slab of iron crafted into a "machete".

But I am ona those weirdos that doesn't subscribe to the Rolex movie either.
I'm not buying a watch for 8 grand that is inferior to a $60 Timex and damn sure not buying a $300 plus machete.
Call me stupid.
 
toucan oasis said:
well. I'm a gunsmith, machinist, and a pretty good furniture builder and carpenter and common sense tells me 22 inches of any kind of steel,ground into a machete form, with an artificial material for handles is ridiculous.
I mean get real. Companies can produce a firearm, which is a hell of a lot more work, insurance,engineering, talent, equipment etc. Than a slab of iron crafted into a "machete".

But i am ona those weirdos that doesn't subscribe to the rolex movie either.
I'm not buying a watch for 8 grand that is inferior to a $60 timex and damn sure not buying a $300 plus machete.
call me stupid.
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...............ok
 
Toucan Oasis said:
Well. I'm a gunsmith, machinist, and a pretty good furniture builder and carpenter and common sense tells me 22 inches of any kind of steel,ground into a machete form, with an artificial material for handles is ridiculous.
I mean get real. Companies can produce a firearm, which is a hell of a lot more work, insurance,engineering, talent, equipment etc. than a slab of iron crafted into a "machete".

But I am ona those weirdos that doesn't subscribe to the Rolex movie either.
I'm not buying a watch for 8 grand that is inferior to a $60 Timex and damn sure not buying a $300 plus machete.
Call me stupid.
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Although I think you had a bit of an attitude, I agree with you:o
I dont think half the knives I own are "worth" the price...but dangit, I like em. And life is way to short to put so much value on money.
After reading the revue. I thought the RTAKII was the victor..it chopped pretty good for a third of the price.....just saying. I would like to see a test agianst a 14" Tramontina..I bet it doesnt loose by much in the chopping arena. Although, it might not pry as well.
All that being said, I still want the BUSSE pictured, and still want some more high powered rifles...no matter how many I own.;)
Toucan Oasis, I think many here have thier preverbial panties in a bunch over the way you offered your opinion, rather than your opinion, persay. I might be wrong though...its happened before.
 
Toucan Oasis said:
Well. I'm a gunsmith, machinist, and a pretty good furniture builder and carpenter and common sense tells me 22 inches of any kind of steel,ground into a machete form, with an artificial material for handles is ridiculous.
I mean get real. Companies can produce a firearm, which is a hell of a lot more work, insurance,engineering, talent, equipment etc. than a slab of iron crafted into a "machete".

But I am ona those weirdos that doesn't subscribe to the Rolex movie either.
I'm not buying a watch for 8 grand that is inferior to a $60 Timex and damn sure not buying a $300 plus machete.
Call me stupid.
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Thanks for replying to my question, and I'm not calling you anything, I just wanted to know why the price bugged you so much, when you didn't have to pay it. And I'm not saying you're wrong about it being greatly overpriced, in fact I agree with you, but that's not to say, that one day, with a couple of extra bucks in my pocket that I won't be seduced by the Busse muse, if for no other reason, than to see what the hype is all about.

I think Gene has a point - the way you word your condemnation of Busse knives can be interpreted as saying that all people that buy them are stupid, so I can understand their position as well.

(Quick run the hills, he's on his soap box again :eek:). Really I think we have to try to show a little more respect for other people's opinions (on both sides of any issue). I think this will lead to a more productive learning experience - saving energy for tutorials and test reports, etc., rather than pissing contests.

Doc (putting away his soap box).
 
That's ok. I never wanted a Sako, Mercedez, or Rolex, either. Busses are not everybody's cup of tea. It might be the most expensive camp machete ever! Anyway, I finished it up today.
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Happy New Year all you Wilderness and Survival Skills dudes! Think I'll have a beer and a hot dog.

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Just to address the price of Busses from the perspective of a tool & die maker and businessman:

22 inches of any kind of steel,ground into a machete form, with an artificial material for handles is ridiculous.
I mean get real. Companies can produce a firearm, which is a hell of a lot more work, insurance,engineering, talent, equipment etc. than a slab of iron crafted into a "machete".
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What you're missing is:
1.) INFI isn't some slab of iron. It's a proprietary steel, of proprietary formulation. We may think of Busse Combat as a big knife manufacturer, but they are tiny compared to the big production houses, and the amount of INFI they order is a drop in the bucket from a steel manufacturer's point of view. Bottom line: the foundries charge out the butt for "boutique" steel.
2.) The heat treat recipe is a proprietary formulation and schedule. When you have the only thing going for a product or process, you can charge more for it. Especially if it's patented. When you have a patent, you have a 17 year monopoly, and then anyone who reads the patent can use the process. So, you have to amortize your R&D over that time period.
3.) Busses are limited production items. Meaning you have specific CNC programming, fixturing, etc to produce the blade shape, and do the standard handles.
4.) Final sharpening is by hand on CG models. On LE and satin models the whole finish is by hand, often including hand shaped scales. Labor is a huge chunk or the price of anything made here, the more labor, the more it costs.

So, take a limited production run of something made of a small purchase lot of specialized steel (that no one else can order), factor in technical expertise and labor intensive processes, and his prices aren't out of line -- from the factory. From the aftermarket, well, you pay collector prices which vary with what the market will support.

Then consider that INFI really is better for the designed-for applications, and it starts looking like a good deal.

Look at other high-end makers like Fehrman and Chris Reeve, which use high-end, but generally available steels, and their prices are comparable to a Busse.

If one is happy with something with 80% the performance (and that's being generous when comparing to actual machetes) for 20% of the price, fine. But it doesn't make you smart or the guy buying the Busse stupid. He's paying for that last 20% of performance, which, frankly, costs the most.
 
There aren't too many knives that you can use them for a while and sell them for more than what you paid for them, with Busse knives you can do that.

They are built like tanks,,,great knives and worth the money.
 
I'll admit, nobody needs a Busse to survive. They don't need some of nice custom bushcraft blades I see on this forum, either. A Swiss Army knife, a Mora, and a Tramontina will get the job done. But this forum is one of the Blade Forums. There are knife lovers on all these forums. People dedicated to the art and science of the blade. Collectors and Outdoorsmen. Makers and users. If somebody tells me that it is stupid or silly to pay over $350 for a glorified machete, I am not offended. I understand that point of view. In fact, I think from a purely funtional and economic perspective, buying Busses is an extravagant thing to do. But don't be surprised to see some exotic and expensive knives on any of the Blade Forums. There are knife nuts here. I am one of them.
 
We all have the prospect of seeing the world through ours economy. If you are rich I would have completely different point of view of the poor guy!
But you can't say that if the poor who buy a BUSSE is mistaken....That happens because of sacrifices and believe on it:)
 
Horn Dog said:
I'll admit, nobody needs a Busse to survive. They don't need some of nice custom bushcraft blades I see on this forum, either. A Swiss Army knife, a Mora, and a Tramontina will get the job done. But this forum is one of the Blade Forums. There are knife lovers on all these forums. People dedicated to the art and science of the blade. Collectors and Outdoorsmen. Makers and users. If somebody tells me that it is stupid or silly to pay over $350 for a glorified machete, I am not offended. I understand that point of view. In fact, I think from a purely funtional and economic perspective, buying Busses is an extravagant thing to do. But don't be surprised to see some exotic and expensive knives on any of the Blade Forums. There are knife nuts here. I am one of them.
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Well said Horn Dog :thumbup:
 
Cpl Punishment said:
If one is happy with something with 80% the performance (and that's being generous when comparing to actual machetes) for 20% of the price, fine. But it doesn't make you smart or the guy buying the Busse stupid. He's paying for that last 20% of performance, which, frankly, costs the most.
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Eloquently put.

I refuse to pay for certain high end items that others find appealing. That includes cars, clothes, restaurants, fine wines and whiskies, watches etc. I generally look for value for money in everything I own. Busse however is the one thing i'll spend a lot on to get the best. I'll probably never push my blades to the absolute limit of their abilities but then I doubt most guys with Ferrari's and dive watches don't push their gear to that point either. Live and let live is the way I see it. I can't really point fingers at those guys while standing there with a $600 knife in my hand.

Anyway good review and very nice job on the knife make over. Any chance of a side by side review against a CGFBM.
 
Horn Dog said:
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Happy New Year all you Wilderness and Survival Skills dudes!
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Friggin' excellent job prettyin' that blade up. Having pride in your abilities and the best examples of tools is not ridiculous. It gives an average Joe like me a sense of pride to be able to acquire the state of the art and detach myself from the disposable lifestyle of the modern day. A machete is just not the same.
 
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