Busses NOT expensive: Am I the only one?

Busse knives are expensive for most people: many of them cost a full months rent in a one bedroom apartment. 'Expensive' is relative to your income. The less disposable income you have, the more expensive they appear, especially for those living paycheck to paycheck with a lot of debt.

I have paired back to a select few, and none of them are thin slicers. None of them are thin compact slicers because busse doesn't really make such things (1/8" with sub .020" thick edge), even those that might qualify have choils which disqualifies them for 'compact' in my book. Busse doesn't make them because the steel as hardened at 58rc isn't designed for ultra thin edges. It does okay, but it's floppy, and does what it's designed to do.

And thats the thing: INFI is a designer steel. It meets a particular set of criteria wherein it can claim to be the absolute best. It is maleable at high hardness, has excellent corrosion resistance for a non-stainless, high strength, a stable temper at high heat, and is easy to sharpen. At this set (combined, not individually) it is the best.

The best costs more money than 'good enough'.

I have just read this entire thread and I have to say that LVC has said exactly what I was thinking. Well said Brother!!! I remember when I was proud of my Kabar when I was in the service. Now that I am older, wiser and have more money to spend on toys I buy what IMHO that I PERCEIVE as the best knife available. I have had customs that cost $850.00 sold it and bought a $550.00 Busse Combat. I have spent $2000.00 on a blade and $3000.00 on a gun, so what. If I can do it and enjoy it SO WHAT!!! If a guy drives by in a Mercedes-Benz G-class and I'm sitting there in my Rubicon, I'm happy for the guy. I'm not about to run the guy down cause he has something that I want buy. My point is we all have our opinions, likes and dislikes. If all you want is a SAK to go camping with, hey more power to you. Trust me I want but you know what, that's my OPINION.
I think this statement says reems, "The best costs more money than 'good enough'. "
 
So every time I go to another forum and see someone talking about how "Busses are good, but not worth the money" I have to stifle the urge to explain in depth exactly WHY they're wrong.

People who don't own Busse knives don't get it. The same kind of talk surfaces about Chris Reeve, Rick Hinderer .... Personally, I don't begrudge anyone for what they want to buy, use, and collect but would appreciate them not trying to piss on my cloud.

On the plus side, we don't have to be concerned with these chuckleheads taking up bandwidth at the ganzaas.
 
INFI is not expensive, federal reserve notes are just not worth anything.
Perspective is everything when talking about value so here's some food for thought.
Feb 2003 price for 1 gallon of gas, approximately $1.20, today, over $3.00 after coming down from near $4.00 (November is coming :rolleyes:)
Feb 2003 price for one ounce of gold, approximately $300, today, over $1500 after reaching $1900 in the past 12 months.
A gallon of gas is still a gallon of gas and an ounce of gold is still an ounce of gold, so what changed in value?
Green toilet paper. :barf: Smoke Spend 'em if ya got 'em. :p

Now do some simple math.
Typical monthly expenses that are absolutely irrelevant to survival for Americans:
cell phone $100, tv/cable/movies/netflix/etc, $50+, internet $20+, gas $200+, car insurance $100+
Sacrifice just one month without wasting spending on all of those things listed for which you have nothing to show afterward and you can buy yourself a nice Busse that will outlast you. Priorities. ;)

 
Give up smoking, movie watching, fast food, coffee shops, and drinking.

You'll have more than enough money.

Then you can just do that twice as hard later to make up for it :D
 
Give up smoking... Drinking

Haha, that's just swapping two old addictions for one new one! A few weeks in and My INfIection has already cost me about 700 dollars!!! And some other guys seem even worse afflicted!
 
I think what it comes down to, in my own crazy little mind, is that when i have a cold steel knife in my collection, i FEEL like it adds effectively zero to my net worth, but a handful of busse knives feel like they are WORTH something, in the same way that my guns, and my boat are worth something

if i HAD to, i'd be able to get money out of them. Liquidating cheap knives is pretty fruitless from my experience.
 

Now do some simple math.
Typical monthly expenses that are absolutely irrelevant to survival for Americans:
cell phone $100, tv/cable/movies/netflix/etc, $50+, internet $20+, gas $200+, car insurance $100+
Sacrifice just one month without wasting spending on all of those things listed for which you have nothing to show afterward and you can buy yourself a nice Busse that will outlast you. Priorities. ;)


Giving up paying for gas, car insurance, internet, or phone service is not always an option. Many people need to drive to work (to far to bike/walk, no bus route, or prohibitive cost of public transportation vs. own vehicle), need their car for safety/medical reasons, telecommute via the internet, need the internet to search for jobs because there's isn't stable enough or need the communication provided by it, or need their phone for work.

I'm currently without a car and bike 20 minutes to work in the 110 degree heat here in tucson because I need the money to pay off debt, and I couldn't reasonably spend 2,000$ to fix my car. I can't, however, safely give up my phone because it's necessary for when work calls me to change my schedule or request that I come in. I could give up internet, but it's my major communication between friends and family - if I give it up I have to rely more heavily on my phone which will increase costs (I'm on a gophone plan that varies between 10$-40$ a month, vs. the 60$ minimum cost for a monthly service).

Even if you give up all of those, the assumption that you will be able to afford a knife has to include the prerequisite that the person is making enough to afford those to begin with (full time job, or a part time job that pays exceptionally well), or that they can avoid immediately shifting that money towards other priorities or past debt payments.

If I get rid of every single extra expense in my life, I still can't realistically afford Busse Combat because I have 16,000$ in tax debt, and 4,000$ in credit card debt, all of which ends up at around 25% apr. Some of that was my own doing, some of it was because living expensive and high rent ate up credit when I was only able to find part time work (I've always held a job, just not always good ones). Any extra money I can shave off of comforts, nutrition, or necessity should immediately go towards debt, because it is both a current and future expense that limits my options.

My situation is common. Busse Combat is still an expensive company for me even if I adjust my financial priorities, do without, or go into even further debt to get them.
 
Not to mention if you don't have the internet it is a little harder to get a Busse.
 
I kind of agree they are an excellent value. Dollar for dollar, these knives are hard to beat. You get a the tir-fecta of great knife-y-ness, Toughness, Edge Retention and Corrosion Resistance but...
Just like potato chips you cant just get one! Some how you wind up "needing" just one more. Have fun everyone:)

Unklfranco
 
I think what it comes down to, in my own crazy little mind, is that when i have a cold steel knife in my collection, i FEEL like it adds effectively zero to my net worth, but a handful of busse knives feel like they are WORTH something, in the same way that my guns, and my boat are worth something

if i HAD to, i'd be able to get money out of them. Liquidating cheap knives is pretty fruitless from my experience.

+1. soooo true.
 
Busse knives are expensive for most people: many of them cost a full months rent in a one bedroom apartment. 'Expensive' is relative to your income. The less disposable income you have, the more expensive they appear, especially for those living paycheck to paycheck with a lot of debt.

I have paired back to a select few, and none of them are thin slicers. None of them are thin compact slicers because busse doesn't really make such things (1/8" with sub .020" thick edge), even those that might qualify have choils which disqualifies them for 'compact' in my book. Busse doesn't make them because the steel as hardened at 58rc isn't designed for ultra thin edges. It does okay, but it's floppy, and does what it's designed to do.

And thats the thing: INFI is a designer steel. It meets a particular set of criteria wherein it can claim to be the absolute best. It is maleable at high hardness, has excellent corrosion resistance for a non-stainless, high strength, a stable temper at high heat, and is easy to sharpen. At this set (combined, not individually) it is the best.

The best costs more money than 'good enough'.

This is the best answer I have read ... and covers a lot of ground ... it shows what makes Infi special and how when applied to it's strengths in a knife it is the best ...

It also shows why it is worth having when you struggle to afford it ... because when you know it is the best ... you know why you are buying it ... and there is a lot of sense in having "the best" in one knife ... than "good enough" in many ... everyone in life should have the pleasure in owning "the best" at least once ... and a knife is a great choice for that "milestone" ...
 
How can you put a dollar value on being absolutely 100% certain that your knife is not going to fail you in a survival or "Life or Death" scenario?
That's the way I look at it. A Busse knife is downright inexpensive when you think about it in that respect.
 
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I have never owned a Busse but I plan on getting some soon. I have bought a lot of knives that initially cost a lot less but if you don't buy the right ones they are hard to resell. I have 2 scrapyards and 1 swamp rat and hope to buy a small Busse by the end of the year. Money isn't really an issue as I have no debt and a good job it is just a matter of convincing my wife that they are worth the cash. To go from 150$ knives to double or more is a big step in a knife collecting journey.
 
How can you put a dollar value on being absolutely 100% certain that your knive is not going to fail you in a survival or "Life or Death" scenario?
That's the way I look at it. A Busse knife is downright inexpensive when you think about it in that respect.

If they don't ever fail why is there a warranty and people who actually send their knives in for warranty work?
 
If they don't ever fail why is there a warranty and people who actually send their knives in for warranty work?

from what i've seen, most of the warranty work consists of people sending in for new coatings, sharpening etc.

Also, you should keep in mind that a lot of Busse owners enjoy doing very crazy crap with their knives, so an edge reprofile can be necessary after a few dozen cinderblocks

also, the warranty is a representation of Busses commitment to it's product. Even if they NEVER have to use it, the warranty indicates that they stand behind their product.

since i've been on this forum, i've seen precisely 3 broken Busse knives. The first two were in intentional destruction testing, and had to be put in a vice, and hit LOTS of times with a sledgehammer before breaking.

The 3rd one, i have no clue about. It was clearly broken, but no information has come forward on HOW it broke.

On the other hand, there are plenty of people here who have seen Busse knives do insane stuff and keep on ticking
 
If they don't ever fail why is there a warranty and people who actually send their knives in for warranty work?

That's a fair statement/question & I'll do my best to answer it honestly. I have a few Busse knives (so far) that are "investment type" Safe Queens but I have 2 that I have used and tested personally and extensively enough that I have 100% confidence in the fact that they would never fail me in dire circumstances.
My wilderness/woodcraft/survival favorite is the Tankbuster and it's near bout the most indestructible knife I've ever taken into Momma Nature with me.
I always go out solo and while I do also always pack a Leatherman that is (of course) quite handy for some small tasks and mundane camp chores it's not the knife that I would ever bet my bacon on.
I really never intentionally abuse any of my knives. In other words I do not beat them through cinder blocks and steel plates with a sledge hammer...but, I work them extremely hard and I think that the Tankbuster is more knife than I could ever envision needing for even the most extreme wilderness tasks.
I hope that you find my answer to be satisfactory. I've answered your question to the best of my ability.
For me personally I can't put a dollar value on that trust. I (of course) cannot speak for anybody but myself.
 
I should also add that I have been so incredibly impressed with my most recent Team Gemini purchase (which I do intend to use and not just gawk at & admire)...that I have gifted my DuStar ARAD to my nephew since the Team Gemini has a bit better balance and feel.
I trust INFI a bit more than the ARAD D2 Tool Steel even though that particular Knife in D2 has proved to be one pretty doggone tough & excellent knife by some factions of the Israeli Military. It's been tested rather extensively also.
I'm also not very keen on the finger grooves on the ARAD for some strange reason that I've not exactly been able to pinpoint.
I'm a very serious person with regard to a knife that I am willing to hike out alone with into the middle of nowhere and that is how I first discovered Busse AKA after much intensive personal research. And I have not had a single moment of disappointment or regret.
I know that I'm new here but, I'm not new to knives. For sure I'm not SURVIVORMAN but, very bad things can happen to folks out in it alone where a great and uber reliable knife can really make a difference as to if a body makes it home or not and that's why I'm sticking with INFI.
 
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