Well, I got busted by the housing department today. Someone left them a note, unsigned, saying I was making and selling deadly knives from my apartment. I had a couple pocket knives and a small wanrcliff fixed blade that i use for cutting med tape and leather for track and field stuff. I also had some blanks that were partially ground, and only 2 had edges on them. They let me keep my kitchen knives, but confiscated all the other ones, saying i wasn't allowed to have knives on campus. I told them most didnt have an edge, and i didnt consider them a knife, as the definition of a knife is a cutting instrument. if it doesn't have an edge, how can it cut?????? I can have my parents pick the blades up when they pick me up when the semester is over, but it is a PITA. One guy asked me if throwing knives was part of track and field. They also asked if i had my grinder and anvil in the apartment. I told them i only have my tools and stuff at home, and only had the stuff here because A. I need it for track or B. i can scan it and get tips and ideas on how to improve the stuff, and to show people who I am making them for back home what they look like and what progress has been made on them. I am pissed. These were stashed in a drawer, under a bunch of junk, yet someone knows I am making and selling "deadly assault knives" from my apartment, but didnt know what my apartment number is. What total bull! yeah, i know i wasn't supposed to have them, but I had a good reason to have them and its not like i was carrying them or showing them to people.
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Bro, that totally sucks. there's not really much more I can say other than that. If I were you I'd try to find out who knows what about you making knives, you may have an espionage problem. If it makes you feel better I'm throughly enjoying my new neck knife?
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Wow, that is a real kick in the pants! I'm sure glad they got all of those "deadly" things off the street!!
If common sense were TNT I wonder how many folks in this country couldn't even muster a sneeze!
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If common sense were TNT I wonder how many folks in this country couldn't even muster a sneeze!
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For the Word of God is...sharper than any two edged sword.
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Taz - sorry to hear about your misfortune
Yet, another reason why living off campus is better
Back when I was in college I lived off campus, as well as carrying a knife with me daily to class and to my part time job at the library on campus. No one ever knew of my "deep dark secret"
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Hmm... The police cannot search your house without a warrant and just having someone say something is in your house isn't good enough. SO these people technically broke into your house and searched it looking for the knives. They then took the knives. Sounds like a case of B&E to me. A landlord cannot just come into your appartment and confiscate your cat. And you do PAY to attend the college and live on campus. I believe there is a way to fight this and cause a rather big stink for the upper levels. Oh, BTW, this IS a college we're talking about isn't it? If so, they cannot legally contact your parents about anything since your education is YOUR business. IMHO, you've kinda got them by the short hairs. That is, if you feel like putting up a fight.
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If you find out who it was , and the apartment they're in... have some fun with it.
Like maybe, flood the room with jello ( this one is done pretty easily if your in a place with a typically cold climate)
Horse**** is pretty easy to come by.They're giving you **** over your knives... give them some ****.
Seriously though that really sucks. I don't udnerstand how they can even have rules like that. Rules should start off with the basic laws of the area your in, ie. knives are ok as long as yadda yadda yadda( insert state/city laws) If your in college you ought to be responsible enough to have a friggin knife around. Especially for the utilitarian stuff you were doing.
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I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer... but I've got the sharpest knife in the room.
Like maybe, flood the room with jello ( this one is done pretty easily if your in a place with a typically cold climate)
Horse**** is pretty easy to come by.They're giving you **** over your knives... give them some ****.
Seriously though that really sucks. I don't udnerstand how they can even have rules like that. Rules should start off with the basic laws of the area your in, ie. knives are ok as long as yadda yadda yadda( insert state/city laws) If your in college you ought to be responsible enough to have a friggin knife around. Especially for the utilitarian stuff you were doing.
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Well,
You´ve learned a lesson. My opinion on matters like this is to avoid sheeple/sheepasites by not giving them a chance to know. First step is to avoid showing anyone that you are even remotely interested in knives.
Next step is to make sure you never, ever use your knives around people unless you are absolutely certain they approve of such a behavior. Remember that you might meet someone later in life when your career is on the line. If they don´t like your fascination for knives now, guess what they will do when they meet you later in life.
After that I´m not sure what to do. Maybe this link could be good to avoid the government from snooping in your mail in the future.
e-mail encryption
Uh, you think that last paragraph was a bit paranoid? Let us hope it is.
Sorry, I´m a bit upset. Got an email today with a link to an article. It trashed a good knife company. Can´t live here if we get any more laws concerning knives and other stuff I´m interested in.
*sigh*
/Colinz
You´ve learned a lesson. My opinion on matters like this is to avoid sheeple/sheepasites by not giving them a chance to know. First step is to avoid showing anyone that you are even remotely interested in knives.
Next step is to make sure you never, ever use your knives around people unless you are absolutely certain they approve of such a behavior. Remember that you might meet someone later in life when your career is on the line. If they don´t like your fascination for knives now, guess what they will do when they meet you later in life.
After that I´m not sure what to do. Maybe this link could be good to avoid the government from snooping in your mail in the future.
e-mail encryption
Uh, you think that last paragraph was a bit paranoid? Let us hope it is.
Sorry, I´m a bit upset. Got an email today with a link to an article. It trashed a good knife company. Can´t live here if we get any more laws concerning knives and other stuff I´m interested in.
*sigh*
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TAZ:
Sorry to hear about your incident. I does sound like someone was just looking for trouble.
However, someone should point out that your user name on at least 2 knife-related forums lists your "York College" address. (That's about 14,000 "readers.")
Not that any member would rat you out, but there are folks who visit these forums without ever logging in!
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Sorry to hear about your incident. I does sound like someone was just looking for trouble.
However, someone should point out that your user name on at least 2 knife-related forums lists your "York College" address. (That's about 14,000 "readers.")
Not that any member would rat you out, but there are folks who visit these forums without ever logging in!
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Actually, if the police come to an apartment without a warrent, and simply ask the manager or owner to let them in to your apartment, it is up to that person whether or not to let the police in. If he decides to, it is a legal search. Your landlord can't arbitrarily enter your apartment, the police can't arbitrarily enter your apartment, but in concert, the two of them can arbitrarily enter your apartment. Sux, but they only have as much power as the people let them take.
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WOW, thats stinks.
Don't let it discourage you.
Look for an apartment off campus next year.
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Look for an apartment off campus next year.
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With the college, it is their property, so they can come and search any time they want. I dont have York College on my profile, but YOrk PA for college, and there are a few colleges in YOrk. Also, the note was slipped under the housing directors door, rather than the security office. I have 2 possible suspects as to who it is.
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Do they have halo's?
man, that's harsh. i feel your anguish, though, since i also attend college and must hide my hobby/craft. you know, most colleges allow their officers to search college property, like drawers and dressers provided by the college. however, they can't search a private container, like a locked trunk or even a paper bag on top of a desk. i've learned that here.
take it easy, man, and don't let this setback sour your view of the human race too much.
aleX.
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take it easy, man, and don't let this setback sour your view of the human race too much.
aleX.
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sharp blades are friendlier than sharp tongues.
well, its a good thing all they did was take a couple of knives....and now you know the rules so be careful....colleges are NOT the place to be leaning right these days!! In fact, I think they are part of the left wing socialist globalists plot to get all the young people in the US to think "properly"!
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It is the same situation at my college- any room can be searched because it is college property. The only knives I have with me are my Assault Shaker, a khukuri letter opener, and an SAK. We are not allowed to have any "weapons" so I figure I might as well not push it. This school is so extreme that the hall director actually has opened students back packs looking for alcohol. As soon as I heard about that all my knives went home. I feel for ya. But just be glad you can collect your knives at the end of the year. Thankfully I am moving off campus next year
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By the way which one's Pink?
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By the way which one's Pink?
Our society has become effete where things martial are concerned. Fear of weapons is rampant. Somehow, personal knives have become synonymous with weapons....forget the fact that 99.9999+% of knife use is food preparation, opening boxes, cutting twine, etc. The fear stems from lack of personal contact with such things as modern folding knives. It is much the same with firearms. If you grow up in an environment devoid of daily proximity to things like guns and knives you are now quite susceptible to the current mass media sensationalization of the tools of violence. These tools, a knife for example, are portrayed as sinister, even more evil than the human wielding it. Almost as though cause and effect were reversed. That seems to be the logic of much legislation which results in obstructing a citizens's access to technology.....that is to suggest that if there are no weapons then there are no crimes. The inference is that the ordinary citizen cannot be trusted with certain "force multiplying" tools...which begs the question: Who, then, can be trusted? What is ludicrous is the thought that access to weapons can effectively be controlled. If some people have guns, anyone stands a chance of getting his hands on one. My point is that focus on a knife or a gun as primarily an implement of destruction is ridiculously narrow. We are a species of intelligent tool users capable of learning and adapting. Anyone of us is capable of making a deadly weapon out of whatever materials we have at hand..even it only happens to be a hand.
What we have to live with is this prevailing legal current of predjudice against knive. I don't like knuckling under what I feel to be unjust, unfair, limitations to my possession of certain things in certain places. I likewise don't find picking fights I can't win very productive or satisfying. Like you, Taz, I would have gone ahead and kept whatever I wanted to in campus housing. I had a shotgun in my room, freshman year. That was the 60's...this is now. My son's favorite knife is a BM 710s..not allowed in the dorm. I got him a 705s and talked about keeping a lower profile. He was cool about it. He's working in Michigan, outside all summer. There's a 3" blade length limit there....I guess I'm for "surrendering unto Caeser what is his"...but not showing him everything....or in your case, since "caeser has already seen you stuff, move to off campus housing as Dexter suggested. Like it or not, our world is filled with ignorant, frightened people who believe giving up more of our personal freedom will make us all safer. It is some world we live in.
What we have to live with is this prevailing legal current of predjudice against knive. I don't like knuckling under what I feel to be unjust, unfair, limitations to my possession of certain things in certain places. I likewise don't find picking fights I can't win very productive or satisfying. Like you, Taz, I would have gone ahead and kept whatever I wanted to in campus housing. I had a shotgun in my room, freshman year. That was the 60's...this is now. My son's favorite knife is a BM 710s..not allowed in the dorm. I got him a 705s and talked about keeping a lower profile. He was cool about it. He's working in Michigan, outside all summer. There's a 3" blade length limit there....I guess I'm for "surrendering unto Caeser what is his"...but not showing him everything....or in your case, since "caeser has already seen you stuff, move to off campus housing as Dexter suggested. Like it or not, our world is filled with ignorant, frightened people who believe giving up more of our personal freedom will make us all safer. It is some world we live in.
What really ticks me off is that i made an extra effort to leave them unedged, except for 2, i didnt even know had an edge until i pressed my thumb on the edges today and got sliced. The other ones I had, i had for a reason. When i throw hammer for track and field, i have approx 400+ pounds pulling on an area about 1/2 cm sq on 2 fingers. I need to cut leather into strips and shape it out to cover the areas and then cut med tape down to thickness and size and stuff to tape it on and do taping on my fingers and joints as proscribed by the trainers here. I had 3 diff ones for that, Tom A's small FB he made for me that I use when I am in my dorm room for that task, and the stockman i redid and EDI Gen2 for cutting the leather, and the stockman for the med tape cutting if I am at the field or meets and need to cut stuff in a hurry, like i did last weekend at a meet. I had legit reasons for having the stuff, and tried to tell them that, but they blew me off. I'm going to talk to the trainers and have them talk to Merkle about why i need to be able to cut leather and med tape. I will try to explain why i have the blanks here and that i deliberatly left the edge off so they wouldnt be considered a knife. Im also going to bring up the fact that the note was all hearsay evidence, and they didnt even mention what room I was in, but yet they "know" i am making knives in my room.
Taz,
I don't if it matters much, but the Federal 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Piazzola v. Watkins (1971; the latest case on the subject) that dorms are to be treated as personal homes. Safety inspections are alright, but searches need a warrant. If they searched without a warrant, you may have grounds for a lawsuit, if you want to pursue that. But, i'm not a lawyer, so take this as you will.
David
I don't if it matters much, but the Federal 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Piazzola v. Watkins (1971; the latest case on the subject) that dorms are to be treated as personal homes. Safety inspections are alright, but searches need a warrant. If they searched without a warrant, you may have grounds for a lawsuit, if you want to pursue that. But, i'm not a lawyer, so take this as you will.
David
I know, but they say they own the college apartments and housing, and they can search. I had to give up the stuff so they would be more lenient on me. They would have found the stuff anyway, and by giving them, i could explain about why i had them and that they had no edge, etc. I didn't have a choice at all in the matter.