Busted :(

Taz,
Do you think it would help if a 'few' people all over the world emailed your school in support of you.

Taking you at your word that you have told us the 'whole story', it might get some peoples attention.

I "AM NOT" talking about flaming emails. I am talking about 'short and sweet' factual emails. Professional and respectful.

It might not help your case but it sure couldn't hurt. It might also get the attention of 'the powers that be' at your school as to how ridiclous this is.

Sincerely,



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Taz-I feel for you. When I was in school I just missed that happening to me. I ordered a sword and when it came, my RA was hanging out infront of my door looking to give me a book he borrowed. He asked what was in the box and I told him it was a baseball bat. He asked to see it because he played for the school. I had to tell him it was a gift and that it was all wrapped inside the mailing box. The sword went home soon after.

Unfortunately living in the dorms you are subject to such things. It is the old "While you are living under my roof, you will follow my rules!"

Good luck with getting them back.

Rich
 
I am very sorry and disgusted to hear this. It's been approx. 3 months since they arrested me and confiscated my Strider/Buck. Here's the kicker... I actually worked for the campus PD the entire first semester. At one time, I actually sold an officer my like new CRKT M16-14 after I had got my CS Triple Action in double edge!!! I am a criminology major and because of this, I don't think I want to be a LEO anymore. It's total and utter bull$hit.

P.S. Along with taking my Strider (that I'm pissed about) they also took a SAK Classic that my father left to me when he died.

I feel your pain.


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I will get the knives back, my parents can pick them up when i go home at the end of the semester. I will see if any emails help, the Dean still hasn't called me back yet. I am also a criminal Justice major. I know that their search can be argued. The note was hearsay evidence, and they have no right to accuse me of the stuff. Also, i gave them the knives instead of having them search. I have them one at a time, explaining why I had them or that they didn't have an edge on them. it was either they search or I give them the knives. I didn't have a choice, and had to incriminate myself, which is a violation of Due process under the 5th amendment. Most of the blades didn't have an edge. They were blanks, profiled and partially ground, so i could scan them for design criteria and help with the grinds, and to give people an idea of how to go about making knives, as I am a newbie and learning thru trial and error frequently. The ones that were sharp, 2 i didnt know were sharp, i proved this when i put my thumb on the edge to show them that fact and got sliced. The other sharp ones, i had for a legit purpose, i have to cut med tape and leather pieces for hammer throwing. If i can't cut leather and med tape for wraps and stuff, my knuckles would be seperated and my tendons shredded. The trainers at the school will back me up on this point, that i had a legit reason for them. The other ones, i said i didnt consider them a knife because there was no cutting edge, period on them, and the points weren't even fully pointy. The were partially pointy, but not very.
 
Taz,

It's a real bummer that you have to go through this when you are trying to learn. I guess this is a learning experience. The situation is not completely hopeless though.

Here's my suggestion--
Go to the Dean's office in person, dressed conservatively but not in a suit, and explain to him/her what happened. (Make an appointment if they won't see you then, but some deans have open office hours scheduled.) Explain that you are an athlete for the school, and why you needed the knives. If one of your coaches would go that would help also. Also tell the dean about your knifemaking. Having some pictures of finished, utilitarian knives you have made might help too. I realize that it is a school rule (no knives) but it couldn't hurt to calmly and rationally make your case. You seem like a calm and rational person so I don't think that would be hard. School officials are often impressed by young people that can articulate their position.

My first year of college I was pulling an all nighter finishing a paper in the office of the student run radio station. A female friend came by and asked me to go get breakfast with her. I explained that I couldn't but told her to take my meal card and buy us both breakfast and bring it back to the office. It was verboten to let someone else use your card, but people did it constantly so I had gotten to believe that it was an unenforced rule. Well, my friend happened to give it to the cafeteria manager who promptly confiscated it. As soon as I finished typing my paper I walked over to pick it up. I had not slept in about 24 hours, eaten in about 10 hours, or had any caffeine that morning. Let's just say I was in no mood to be messed with. I calmly asked for my card and the manager went off on me for 2 or 3 minutes straight. I was irritated but calm, and asked "Can I have my card or not?" She said I could but yanked it back as soon as I got within 6" of it and gave me this smirk that pushed my button. I snatched it out of her hand before she could say another word and said some ungentlemanly things to her.
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I am not proud that I did, but I did. I called her a forking female dog. Bad move. When I went to use my card elsewhere 30 minutes later I was told it was blocked and I would have to go see the Dean of Students to get it unblocked.

I called and made an appointment with the Dean for the next day. I put on my jeans without any holes and a T-shirt from an academic honor program I had participated in in high school (instead of my usual punk rock t-shirt and falling apart jeans). I went in to the Dean's office expecting to get reamed. Instead I explained to her what had happened from my point of view, and how I thought I had been mistreated and the rules had been selectively enforced. By the time I left she had unblocked my meal card, waived the usual fee to do so, yelled at the cafeteria manager on the phone, and apologized to me. She always said hello every time I saw her on campus after that.

To finish up this overly long story, I didn't kiss her butt or do anything other than calmly explain what had happened from my perspective. I think the academic T-shirt helped. Surprisingly I found out later that that Dean had a rep as a hard case.

My story is not like yours in a lot of ways, but the approach is worth a shot. The best thing for me was that I never had to explain to my parents what a little cretin I had been in my "reply" to the cafeteria lady.

Of course, my first day moving into the dorms I had a cheap POS Italian OTF auto fall out of my cargo pocket onto the stairs as I was running some stuff up. My RA reached down to pick it up and got this funny look on his face when he realized what it was. He just grinned at me and handed it back, and told me not to lose it. He later asked me to keep it discrete which I did. I'm pretty sure he knew about the Gerber Mark I that I kept in my room, along with a small "bat". There were actually lots of weapons floating around my dorm, including handguns, hunting rifles, knives, martial arts stuff, and at least one compound bow (an aluminum arrow was mysteriously shot halfway through a door, before the year was over). I guess I went to school in a "simpler time"!
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Later when I returned to school to study anthropology, all of my profs (male and female) carried some sort of pocket knife.

Good luck,
Paul



[This message has been edited by Paul Davidson (edited 05-04-2001).]
 
Taz,
Although I think positive email bombardment is a good idea, PAUL DAVIDSON'S suggestion is a much better one by far. Give it a try and let us know what happens.
No luck...then we will help you out w/ positive reinforcement if YOU want us too; or at least I will. Probably others too but I can't speak for them.
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Good luck,

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First off, Automantic, that is terrible. I'm sorry to hear that. BTW, I'm not far from you, I live here in St. Louis.
Secondly, Taz, this is one of the worst stories I have ever heard. I'm sorry man. Luckily, I go to a university that is very large and PS is usually busy worrying about the neighborhood crime and not about the students having weapons. I'm glad, afterall, I wouldn't want anyone finding my Toad!
Good luck with finishing your semester,
Matt
 
hi guys,

so THIS is the downside of getting into all the colleges i applied for. i'm headed to college next fall, either in CT at Yale or here in California at UC San Diego. i'll be dorming or living on an on-campus apartment. i'm posting to ask your guys' advice on what i should do regarding my collection of knives that i have accumulated over time.

what exactly are dorm rules like? the few friends i've talked to have only mentioned that beer and drugs are no-no's...here's my situation. i'm an active shaolin/tai chi practitioner. i own a traditional tai chi sword, and intend on bringing it with me to college for practice (most colleges DO have tai chi clubs, no? well, the ones i applied to do, at least) i can clearly see how my sword would qualify as a "weapon." i can also clearly see how posession of my microtech and benchmade collection on campus would be a cardinal sin. i have on friend who owns a knife that i bought for him before he headed off to college. he hasn't had it confiscated before, nor has he had any problems with it. he hopes to avoid such problems, and stores his knife (don't laugh) inside his computer case in a sheath he tied to the case itself. i actually suggested to him, and it doesn't seem like a half bad idea ;]

as custom and production knives are quite expensive for your typical starving student these days, i don't really want to take any risks as this is the second round of knives i've had to buy (first collection was stolen). i also, however, do believe in my right to carry a knife, and find that a knife is almost necessary in my daily agenda (opening boxes and cutting plastic ties off of xerox paper boxes at Schwab). what do you guys suggest?

thanks

aaron
 
That sucks - BIG TIME! Just another example of the small minded, reactionary bull knife users/collectors have to deal with daily.
I am new to this forum and am so happy to find so many blade nut brethren here. Its cool to find people whoget as excited as I do on the purchase of a new knife and not the usual "So who ya gonna stab?" I also shoot and in these PC times feel at times like an outcast beacuse I choose to relax by shooting/handling knives.
I haven't been into knives/shooting that long but everyone I have met who has the same interests has been polite, intelleigent and articulate and not to forget responsible.
sorry to hear about being busted
 
I guess no one has ever told them that butcher (kitchen) knives are the #2 most used edged weapon in murders, according to the FBI.

Seriously, they violated your 4th amendment rights. An anonymous tip does not give probable cause. They had no right to search your dorm room. Threatening a lawsuit might help to speed things up, since it means big $$ to them.

Most colleges i've ever been to won't even enter the room for safety inspections without getting permission first (knocking and asking to enter). Your college doesn't seem to respect the law.

David
 
Swede79,
are you sure it was old Ben?

Aaron,
Keep the one(s) that you would need to use. The rest can be left back at home or like Chuck Gollnick does: keep them in bank safe
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[This message has been edited by Chris Anagarika (edited 05-08-2001).]
 
Find out who did it, and show them why guns work better than knives!
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LOL! Just kiding!
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