Busted :(

I will begin my comments by stating my opinion: what happened is really rather silly and unfair.

On the other hand, you, or your parents, made a contractual agreement with the authority (public or private) to utilize their property. I am quite sure that somewhere in the process it was stated that weapons (which I hope were defined) were not allowed on the property contracted for.

The system that we live under states that when you have title to property you have the right to utilize the property in the mannor that you choose, within the bounds of the law.

This is a free enterprise system. If you don't like the rules, don't enter into the contract.

Is one person's "right" to possess a weapon, of any type, more of a right than another person's right to determine the use of their property?

I own my business, and I allow possession of guns or knives. That is my choice. But if I chose not to allow those objects, that is also my right.

If you don't like my rules, patronize some other establishment. That holds for pro or anti gun or knife.

I believe that your rights do not lessen my rights. If the rules are stupid (which as we all know, they tend to be) - change them.

Don't come onto my property, ignore our "contact," and expect me to allow it - I won't.

I support the right to utilization of one's property with the same vigor that I support the 2nd amendment, my right to own knives, and my right to sit in my back yard in peace.

Ed
 
Sorry to hear of your misfortune. That is really too bad. I think this is pointing at a larger problem here in the US.

We don't let "kids" drink until they are 21. But they can be drafted into the military. Isn't that slightly hypocritical?

So we effectively take away alcohol, knives, etc., from college students, so when are they going to learn how to handle all this? Isn't that what college is (partly) about, the transition from kid to adult? Good grief. My school wasn't Animal House (we wished it were), but we did have fun. And we learned how to have fun responsibly.
 
I understand about the contract. They allow kitchen knives, no prob to have an 8 or 10" chef knife. The blades that had edges, were used for a specific reason. I modified one blade of my stockman for tape cutting. The wanrcliff i designed for cutting down rolls of med tape. On the others, i took the edge off, figuring if they didnt have an edge, they weren't knives, as a knife has to have a cutting edge.
 
Hey Taz, sorry to hear you had to go through the trouble. I'm going to college in Richmond, Va and the rules are really broad here. They simply state that there are no "weapons" allowed, so I'm assuming that means that they can decide whether or not a knife is a weapon. Needless to say, the spydercos went home, and I kept the large CS Voyager. It is pushing the legal limit, but it is also the least intimidating knife I own. Even then it stays in the pocket, with my small Schrade being used for most cutting tasks. I have to agree with everyone that says get an apartment off campus. I'm trying to do the same thing, just to avoid the hassle of unclear rules and militant RA's. Good luck.

C.Mapp
 
Taz,

I must agree, the logic is so stupid as to boggle the mind.

I believe that you are a criminal justice major. I have some prior experience in that endevor.

A lession I learned early - the devil is in the details.

Pocket knife - let's say a 3" blade = evil.

Kitchen knife - big blade = a simple kitchen tool.

Dealing with the mind that can rationalize the above is probably why I don't work for someone else. It is also part of the reason that I did not continue with a career in LE.

Regards,

Ed
 
Well, I guess I'm just rebelious then. First off, I'd change the locks to keep nosy people out. I'd keep a heavy chest with a large lock on it and refuse to open it for anyone. I also wouldn't live anywhere that prevented me from practing my rights.

I have carried a knife (either a BM 30 Balisong, or my 605 special) since day one of college. My theory on this is: No one is going to know I have it since I don't wave it around and I refuse to let anyone search me or my property. If security stopped me and asked to search me, my bag, or my car I'd tell em to take a long walk. If they show me a warrant they can search all day long, but without that warrant they're in for a hassle. If all else fails, I run. I'm paying to attend their college, and I'm not going to pay someone to search me and prevent me from practicing my rights.

I am always looking for a way to stop the injustice. If it inconvieneces me and holds me up for 2 hours that is fine, for that 2 hours that person can cause no one else any injustice. Same theory if a cop asks to search my car. Hell no. I've got nothing illegal but I'm not going to give him permission to violate my rights. Sure, he can call HQ and get another unit out there and get permission granted to him, but it's a hassle. Then, when they don't find anything, it shows what kind of asses they are.

Anyone who is willing to give up personal rights for personal safety, gets and deserves neither.
 
When we live in campus housing we live by their rules. If they say no knives other than kitchen then that is unfortunate. I feel for you.
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Well, on the bright side, you're going to get the knives back. On the down side, it's a great inconvience, and should you do anything that the admins of the school don't like, they have a simple way of getting rid of you (rules violations).

When I lived in dorms, it was similar rules, although I believe that any knife was against the rules. Honestly, though, they never checked - the dorm was too busy trying to prevent open use of drugs and alchohol by minors (they weren't very good at it, either).

Someone, or a group of someones is out to get you. Sounds paranoid, but it's true. Now you need to be especially careful, because the next time they do something like that, it could cause serious harm to the future of your college career (or at least, the future of you living in the dorms). The chances are pretty good that the loser that turned you in doesn't know you very well - however, don't assume this is the case. They may have known your apartment number - and just not included it in the letter.

Should you find out who the person was, be very careful about any revenge type actions you might take. For example, I don't believe there is anything illegal in calling the Mormon church (1-888-537-7111) and asking for a free (missionary hand-delivered) copy of the book of Mormon, even if you should give the wrong name and address.
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(Call it spreading the gospel, could work with the Jehovah's Witnesses as well.). I could of course, be wrong. You don't want to do anything illegal.

If it were me, I would wait for a while, then cause them an equal or greater amount of anonymous inconvience. The less you make it seem like the loss of your knives phased you, the better. Have it narrowed down to a group of 2 or 3 people? Play them off against each other, let them fight it out. Have fun. Revenge is a bee-otch.

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Hey Taz,

I know how you feel buddy.

The cops raided my house and offices last month and conficated all my autos (along with a ton of other stuff).

Believe me I had a huge collection. Now I have like 5 left. (I guess they couldn't figure out the DA's
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Later.

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Taz,

I can symphatyze with you ... sheepies are always sheepies ..

Balilover,

"Anyone who is willing to give up personal rights for personal safety, gets and deserves neither"

I hope this is not copyrighted.. can I use it?
 
Determine the person you most suspect of being the rat. Tell them you have been forced to sell a different contraband item from your apartment to make up the lost income. If they come and search again you have identified your rat.

Take care,
bug
 
This really sucks!
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However i know of one useful storage method, that at least works here in my country.

You need to have two friends in on this. One friend needs to know that he might get an envelope or package containing lots of your knives, and return them to you. The other friend, should when asked say that he asked you to mail a package or an envelope for him.

Basically you keep the goodies in a sealed envelope or package. This is adressed to one friend, and has got the other friends adress as the return adress. Even if they have a search warrant for your premises, they are not likely to have a warrant for someone elses personal correspondance. Don`t know if this works in the US though....

NILS

(In case anybody misunderstood me, you don`t actually send the package unless you`re forced to.)

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good idea.
just put the knives in a priority box,with any adress on it.

us mail-they cannot touch it.
 
For future reference, and for everyone else, find out exactly what your school rules and state laws are. Then, if possible, if they're reasonable, follow them. If you learn the laws and rules and then choose to break them, don't let anybody know about it. I used to live in the dorms at my school, secrets are not kept well in places like that. I don't carry my Sifu to school because it's .45" too long for school rules, and I don't expect campus police to cut me any slack if they find me with a Sifu. See also this thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum61/HTML/000125.html

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This is truly one of the saddest topics that I have ever read. I was an RA in college and I would never have 'tossed' someones room for an allegation like that. All notes that were slipped under my door to obtain anonymity were imediately filed....in the garbage.

We knew that people had knives and the such in their rooms but we also knew our students and kept OUR MOUTHS SHUT. I had a friend who kept his bow for deer season in the vent above his door. No one ever checked there and no one who knew mentioned it.

I would find out who the guy was that ratted on you and keep a close eye on his room. If they want to play by the rules make him play by the rules. Everybody has something in the dorm room or apartment that they are not supposed to have: hot plates, toasters, all manner of stuff is contrband if you read the rules stricty enough.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chris Anagarika:
Taz,

I can symphatyze with you ... sheepies are always sheepies ..

Balilover,

"Anyone who is willing to give up personal rights for personal safety, gets and deserves neither"

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I think Ben Franklin first said this.
 
Sorry to hear that.
What really p*ss me off, is that someone turned you in and is too much of a chicken to stand up and admit it.

Remember the rules are made to protect people like you from insane makers of "deadly knives" like yourself!:-)

And I though Denmark was the worst place in the world regarding knives!

Good luck
The Porc
 
Thanks for the support guys. I checked the rules of the school. No deadly weapons or knives. But kitchen knives are allowed. Go figure. Most of the ones I had didn't even have an edge on them period, they were blanks. 1, maybe 2 had an edge. I let my machinist play with them to see which he liked best and i guess he popped an edge on them and didn't tell me
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I pressed my thumb on one to show it didn't have an edge and got sliced. The other 3 sharp ones, 2 pocket knives and a small FB, that i use for med tape cutting and leather cutting for throwing on the track team for the school (the trainers will back me up saying i need to be able to cut the stuff on the field or at a meet for medical reasons, ie so my knuckles dont get seperated). I deliberatly left the edge off of the blades that are blanks, and told them that i scan them to get help and comments on stuff.
 
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