Calling all chefs! Or really any one who likes to cook!

I was going to send the knife out to Rick today, but I totally forgot the post office will be closed for Labor day, so I will send it out tomorrow.

Also, I thought about this last night while I was packaging the knife to ship. Since I've had this knife for a while, I did some cutting tests and tried some different sharpening techniques on it, so when you guys get it, the blade will have some light scratches on it. I cleaned it up some with a gray scotch bright, but it still looks a little used. I just wanted to point this out so that ya'll didn't think this is how a new knife that comes from me looks.

I can't wait to see some good in use pictures!

-Adam
 
As far as honing/sharpening/stropping goes...what are the guidelines?
Also, how long do we keep it before sending it along?
Anyone needing to communicate with me regarding the knife/shipment can pm me here or email me: templarsquad@hotmail
 
Well Brian, I guess since everyone that signed up is experienced in the kitchen, y'all can feel free to sharpen and strop as you see fit. The knife will get to Rick sharpened to 600 grit then honed on a ceramic rod (I use the edge pro apex), but if you prefer a mirrored edge, feel free to sharpen it to that. If you prefer a toothier, coarse edge, feel free to do that. This pass around is more about the ergonomics, shape, heat treat and hardness than it is edge sharpness directly from the maker. Rick is the only one who will really know how sharp it is straight from me.

It would be nice if y'all would make sure it is sharp before it goes to the next person though.

As far as how long to keep it....That is up to you guys. If you feel you can adequately review it in a couple of days, then thats fine. I realize we all have jobs and lives to live, so if it takes you a week and a half or more, then thats fine too. I'm not in any hurry to get the knife back. Like I said earlier, I may even do a give away with it when it returns, so I feel like you can take as long as you need.

-Adam
 
I'm in if we're still adding to the list. I do all the cooking in our house and am an aspiring writer. Could use some practice in both fields.
 
ATwistedStaple,

I'll wait and as long as the other reviews don't take to long, I'll ad you to the list. I just don't want the thread to get to drawn out.

Oh, The knife shipped today and should get to Rick on Thursday!!!!

-Adam
 
If you still have room on the pass-around I'd love to join in. My wife is a chef and experienced in the kitchen and I would be happy to do a video review/overview video for my Youtube channel. Just let me now:-)
 
Ok so here we go!

Aesthetics/Design:
Aesthetically the knife and handle is beautiful. The dyed and stabilized mango, along with the toxic-green G10 liners, black paper micarta and carbon fiber pins makes for a subtle but striking look. The immediate feeling is of a well-balanced, light and comfortable knife. I’ve never even heard of someone making the pins with carbon fiber, a very cool detail.
Everyone seemed to love the subtle touch of green from the G10 liners. One chef mentioned that if the knife were his he would love to make a Saya referencing the color palate in the handle (black and green).

Handle Ergonomics:
Micheal: Handle shape is great but could be improved by thinning towards the spine to make a pitch grip more comfortable. I photographed it next to a Masakage Zero that is designed this way.
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The Zwilling Kramer knives have this too and I love it. Knife handle shapes are personal. I can only speak to what I find to be comfortable. I find western handles that taper towards the top are more comfortable in a wider variety of grips.
Rick: The handle feels amazing, very smooth and comfortable. One consideration, is that with many knives, such as this Korin Gyuto, the handle ends almost directly above the heel.
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This particular knife, it ends about a ½” before. The result is that when you are holding the knife in a ‘pinch grip’ above the heel, you are choking up past the handle. This would be a relatively simple fix, by extending the handle about a ½” towards the heel, but would really improve the control and overall comfort.
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Blade Performance:
The profile reminds me of the Classic Wustof Trident chef knives. Fat, round belly, with a gradual distal taper. This is a perfect profile for people who prefer to "rock" when they chop. This knife is a great all around cutter. Nice grind, thin behind the edge. As you see in the photos below, chives and mint chiffonade were perfect.
It is very easy to do fine work like this. There is no bruising of the basil, a sign of a thick or dull edge.
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Chives were equally easy, perfect little rings,, not smashed.
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Myself or any of the other chefs had never worked with O1, and were curious about how it would work with acidic ingredients. So I started slicing using the full length of the blade, 1 lime, 2 lemons, and 1 grapefruit.
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I let the knife sit 5 minutes, and a slight but pleasant patina developed
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Now this is where the knife really excels in my opinion, vegetable work.
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Did thin slices of potato with no wedging or striction.
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Its hard to see, but those are even smaller than matchsticks,,almost angel hair pasta from potato. The knife just glided through with no effort.
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On to some very hard and large horse carrots. Much like with the potato, the knife just sailed through with ease. I did one carrot into quarter thick discs (127 to be exact), and then onto battonette, small/medium dice, and brunoise. The wide but very thin blade is truly a pleasure in tasks like this.
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I then moved onto a task that would provide some pressure and potentially reveal any hot spots. I wanted a cabbage, but settled for some brussel sprouts. This is where I noticed that the handle could be a little bit longer towards the tip.
This is holding only the handle, not much control.
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Here is choking up to where I am pinching right above the heel for optimal control.
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As you can see I am almost a fingers worth of space beyond the handle. I marked where my forefinger and thumb would be “pinching”
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And if you really wanted to increase comfort, a slight taper on the handle toward the blade, rather than a 90 degree angle would really improve it as well.
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Finished with an big fat onion, which can be a real pain if you have a thin little slicer,,but for this wide blade,, it was a breeze
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I checked the edge after this, and still had no problems shaving. Dont worry,, I washed it off!
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Even slicing this tomato using only the weight of the knife (which is not a lot!) was no issue at all. Great steel and great temper.
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Nice toothy edge came back quickly on a paddle strop. I'd have to have it for longer to really compare it to some of my favorite steels like Aogami Super, SG-2, VG-10, Carpenter XHP and 52100.

I had thought about breaking down a whole fish, but decided against it for two reasons. One, its not my knife, and would hate to chip the steel on the bones, since I don’t have a reference regarding the strength of O1. Two, I don’t believe the wide shape of the blade is intended for this task,, although I have no doubts it could tackle it with ease.

Fit and Finish:
Micheal:Handle is basically flawlessly seamless. Totally smooth, outstanding. Rounding the spine and choil would greatly improve perception of fit and finish without adding much to the cost.
Rick: I second what Micheal said, really a fantastic design. I think personally if a little more steel were removed from the choil, it would make it even better.
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I do also love the rounded spine and choil idea,, it instantly adds a whole new level of comfort.


Ease of re sharpening:
Knife was easily and quickly brought back by hand with a Naniwa Chosera 1000 grit, 5000 grit, and then followed by a paddle strop.

Overall:
Truly a really cool knife. Between a great classic shape, thin blade, stellar heat treat and grind, you have a performing machine. Add an exceptionally comfortable and equally attractive handle, you have a winner. Making a few adjustments to the handle length and shape, and possibly rounding the spine and choil would bring the overall package to an even higher level of performance and comfort.
Thanks again to Adam for this opportunity to show what a great knife maker he is!
 
Awesome write up Rick! Thanks for taking the time to capture all those pictures. You def look like a pro with a knife!

Thanks also for pointing out the areas that need to be addressed like the handle shape and position. That is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for, since I am not a chef, but want to make a product that appeals to them!

One thing, do you think the spine should be completely rounded, or just the corners knocked down more?
 
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No, thank you Adam, it was a real pleasure to experience your work. The knife is a hit, I can't wait to see what you make next!
 
Awesome write up Rick! Thanks for taking the time to capture all those pictures. You def look like a pro with a knife!

Thanks also for pointing out the areas that need to be addressed like the handle shape and position. That is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for, since I am not a chef, but want to make a product that appeals to them!

One thing, do you think the spine should be completely rounded, or just the corners knocked down more?
I think just smoothing the spine is an improvement, but the knives I've handled that have a rounded spine are another level of comfort all together. I remember many years back (ugh,,almost 20:eek:) rounding the spine on my Messermiester with a dremel tool, because after a long days use you can really develop a nasty blister in that spot
 
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For me as a safety thing - for those who chop parsley and things by rocking with left hand on the spine a sharp90* spine is an un-necessary hazard .Break the edge with radius or chamfer. Another hazard is the heal. thin blade ,90 * angle , no need for that. A bit of a radius is needed.
Get a knife that fits your hand .For my large hands a small handle is very uncomfortable.
It helps to have high dexterity !!
 
I definitely never felt or viewed it as a hazard, rather a minimal modification to improve comfort and reduce pressure.
Again, truly a great knife!
 
Mete,

The spine is square, but by no means sharp. I break the corners of the spine with 500 grit on all of my knives.
 
I was speaking in general terms .I've never used one of yours.
I rarely get cuts but some on this forum obviously get many and they like to post photos !
 
Ok it looks like the knife arrived at Kris' (MT Damascus) house today. I can't wait to see what he has to say about it!

A lot of times, when I ship a knife, that is the last I see of it. This is really fun and exciting to get to see one of my knives in use and to get good feedback. I want to make the best possible product out there and this is exactly the kinds of things that will help me to continue to improve my knives.

-Adam
 
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