Calling BUSHMAN5, and all vest Owners!

[baldtaco-II]

Commitment and abortion:

Right, here's a babble about what I'm not really grasping -


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Those three shots depict nothing other than a glorified map case to me. It seems like an amazing amount of luggage both in terms of weight and intrusion for such a small amount of contents. My rather ancient map case is fairly capacious. In additions to maps I have acetate overlays in it, compass, pens, paper, and I can easily fit a knife, torch a couple of glow sticks a some magic markers [just for object simulation] in it. Yet it seems tiny by comparison. I can hook it on a shoulder strap when I need it handy or stick it in my map pocket when the rain really kicks in. I appears to do everything that does except for the usherette tray thing. On that, the single feature, usherette, is what causes the gargantuan weight difference between that and mine.

As I see it the only way of ameliorating the weight once you've made that commitment to it is to hang other stuff off it.

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Whilst the above picture does show some other stuff bolted on it is a fairly trivial return. Those extra couple of little pouches and whatnot could not possible compensate me for the difference in weight between the basic map luggage and my map case. I'd need to be bolting on a lot more than that once I'd made the commitment to the extra weight.

That's what leads me to wonder. As I see it to get any kind of real returns that offset the weight and so on of the base platform I'd have load it up even more. And that load would be distributed in exactly the kinda position that gives pregnant women back ache. Failure to commit to a hefty pregnant load carry bunch of bolt on bits would be a relief to my spine, but then leaves me back where I started; an amazing amount of luggage for a map case. And obviously I'd want to abort that idea because of the weight and so on...the loop. I don't see a good way of recovering the difference.

 

[BushcraftBrainTrust]

Commitment and abortion:

Right, here's a babble about what I'm not really grasping -


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That's what leads me to wonder. As I see it to get any kind of real returns that offset the weight and so on of the base platform I'd have load it up even more. And that load would be distributed in exactly the kinda position that gives pregnant women back ache. Failure to commit to a hefty pregnant load carry bunch of bolt on bits would be a relief to my spine, but then leaves me back where I started; an amazing amount of luggage for a map case. And obviously I'd want to abort that idea because of the weight and so on...the loop. I don't see a good way of recovering the difference.

Bushman5 is using this as a pack replacement not a map case. I think this setup distributes weight more evenly than a pack by itself. You say your case is smaller and if it rains you can put it in your map pocket (you mean you carry a pack to put your case in?).


I think Bushman5 came up with an elegant system to carry:

map
compass
flashlights
pencils
FAK
knives
light sticks

and I would guess:

camera
hydration
paracord
tarp or heatsheet
fire kit
etc, etc, etc.....


Everyone has their own way of doing things and I bought a Warlord Admin Pouch for the front of my Mystery Ranch pack because of Bushman's posts. I would love to see pics of your setup, so maybe I could learn from your setup too.:thumbup:

 

[ROCK6]

Yeah, Gene that establshed HSGI is a wizard at building these things and it's much more than a map case. They are actually quite comfortable to wear...my only issue is that you'll sweat a little more if it's hot or humid.

Some people like them, some don't. I've used HSGI, SOTech and Tactical Tailor chest rigs the most...either for duty, hunting or woods bumming. They really offer the advantage of having all your essentials with you and handy...no need to remove it to access what you need. Again, depending on your activities, I really like the map tray...it has come in handy several times to both read a map, break down my firearm for cleaning or a nice food tray I've actually used my Tactical Tailor MAV more due to the split front...gives me more breathing space. I still like to use a pack or water bladder pack with it to keep them balanced.

I understand some people's criticism; they look too tactcial or odd, but after using them, I'v found they work quite well for the active outdoorsman and their utility is quite amazing especially for having your essentials close at hand.

ROCK6

 

[baldtaco-II]

Bushman5 is using this as a pack replacement not a map case. I think this setup distributes weight more evenly than a pack by itself. You say your case is smaller and if it rains you can put it in your map pocket (you mean you carry a pack to put your case in?).


I think Bushman5 came up with an elegant system to carry:

map
compass
flashlights
pencils
FAK
knives
light sticks

and I would guess:

camera
hydration
paracord
tarp or heatsheet
fire kit
etc, etc, etc.....


Everyone has their own way of doing things and I bought a Warlord Admin Pouch for the front of my Mystery Ranch pack because of Bushman's posts. I would love to see pics of your setup, so maybe I could learn from your setup too.:thumbup:

“Bushman5 is using this as a pack replacement not a map case.”

That's a bit Humpty Dumpty isn't it. Surely a pack and a map case differ by some set of features not just by calling them different names. That is closer to a map case than any pack I've ever seen. It just has an “usherette” capability too.

“You say your case is smaller and if it rains you can put it in your map pocket (you mean you carry a pack to put your case in?).”

Usually put in my coat pocket if it rains hard.

“Everyone has their own way of doing things and I bought a Warlord Admin Pouch for the front of my Mystery Ranch pack because of Bushman's posts. I would love to see pics of your setup, so maybe I could learn from your setup too.”

Perhaps, but as I'm a simple unit I think it would be so interesting as to not raise an eyebrow.

I appreciate the each to their own thing. Truly, I do. But I am trying to learn something here. I set out some reasoning that I think applies to this situation. What I'm really looking for is some help with that reasoning as I set it out in relation to the above. The each to their own thing really doesn't help. More heat than light.

 

[BushcraftBrainTrust]

Yeah, Gene that establshed HSGI is a wizard at building these things and it's much more than a map case. They are actually quite comfortable to wear...my only issue is that you'll sweat a little more if it's hot or humid.


I understand some people's criticism; they look too tactcial or odd, but after using them, I'v found they work quite well for the active outdoorsman and their utility is quite amazing especially for having your essentials close at hand.

ROCK6

+1:thumbup: Like I said above I have this attached to the front of my pack (http://www.hsgi.us/proddetail.asp?prod=HSG/MAP). I like to have easy access to my maps,compass, GPS, multitool, flashlight and 2 way radio. I attached mine to the sternum strap.

 

[Cpl Punishment]

The other thing that vests or even belt order do, is to put everything lower. This lowers your center of gravity versus a pack, and makes tricky trails easier to negotiate. To add additional sleeping gear, you just put it in a backpack -- smaller than you'd usually use -- and since the pack would only have the light, bulky gear, it won't disrupt your center of gravity like the way people load their heavy stuff into the uipper regions of their tower-like packs.

Accuse me of being a Rambo wanna-be if you want, but I've been wearing LBE,a nd will switch to a vest system when I find one that can run fairly low like I prefer (probably the TT 2 piece MAV).

 

[Bushman5]

the chest rigs are the cats butt for working Adventure races too, esp when needing a radio and access to the course notes / map at the same time.