Calling for a higher end Mini Mojo

[Kohai999]

Wow. That's gotta be the rudest post I've read in a long time, on this or other forums, in response to a post that was not in the least bit offensive. All Artfully Martial was doing was wishing for his dream knife, for crips sake! And, since when was it considered worthy to trash somebody simply over the amount he contributes to a forum, regardless of how long he has been here, or as you put it derogatorily, a "newbie"?

STeven, you owe Artfully Martial an apology. And a look in a mirror to try to find a bit of self-honour, my friend.

Artfully Martial, I have enjoyed, and learned from, your posts, in the time I've been here....carry on, please!

1. Pocketknife, you must not read much. Come over to Customs or Whine and Cheese sometime. Knife collecting is a full contact sport.

2. It was worthy of trashing newbies for talking too much or out of turn for a long time before I got here.

3. I am not your friend. I would kill or die for my friends. I don't know what you consider honor, but those that know me and love me, and even those that hate me and wish death to come to me slowly and painfully, would not question my honor.

4. I do not owe Artfully Martial an apology. I am attempting some corrections of a misguided pattern.

I am not a frustrated, wannabe moderator, I do not have the patience for it. I suffer fools, not at all.

I speak to people the same in person, as I do on the Web. I do not hide my identity or my personage. I try to give something back to this community every day.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Murky Depth]

1. Pocketknife, you must not read much. Come over to Customs or Whine and Cheese sometime. Knife collecting is a full contact sport.

2. It was worthy of trashing newbies for talking too much or out of turn for a long time before I got here.

3. I am not your friend. I would kill or die for my friends. I don't know what you consider honor, but those that know me and love me, and even those that hate me and wish death to come to me slowly and painfully, would not question my honor.

4. I do not owe Artfully Martial an apology. I am attempting some corrections of a misguided pattern.

I am not a frustrated, wannabe moderator, I do not have the patience for it. I suffer fools, not at all.

I speak to people the same in person, as I do on the Web. I do not hide my identity or my personage. I try to give something back to this community every day.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Steven, it sounds like you have too much pride for an apology at this point. Reconsider the whole self-righteous bit. It's pretty obvious you were out of line here.

Artfully Martial,

I feel your pain on the disparity between the quality of materials & the greatness of the Kershaw's Onion designs. Their S30V Leek represents a step in the right direction, and who knows. If the streets talk enough, the factories have been known to listen.

 

[Thomas W]

Murky, I'm assuming the pain you refer to is with the blade steels we use. I hope you understand this is a business decision. Every knife we produce could potentially have an exotic piece of steel, but it is a reality that volume knife buying does not happen in "high end" production. It is unfortunate that those that appreciate and demand finer cutlery don't make up the numbers to grow a manufacurer's business. Are there companies that focus on just high end? Sure, but they are specialty manufacturer's that don't represent the masses.
I dont believe the Sandvick steel we continue to use is painful to most, 440A either. On this board there are more steel junkies, so we try to cater to them as well. We do use S30V, CPM-154, D-2, and there will be that 3V project, but these upper end pieces will be selective, as these offerings will not expand our business. We do continue to hear your voices, and hopefully the "choice" pieces we do offer will be enough to show that Kershaw can cover the full spectrum for everyone to enjoy. In an effort to keep you all satisfied (we enjoy it also), I can say there will be more and more flagship Kershaw knives in the near future.

Art, again thanks for dreaming of an exotic Mini Mojo, you just said what we talk about a ton within the walls of Kershaw.

Thomas
Kershaw Knives

 

[ginshun]

Artfully Martial,

You are like a Cliff Stamp Lite, and no, I don't mean that as a compliment.

I would like to address a few issues with you, because you continually annoy myself, and some other members, who would dearly love for you to attain PT status, and you may someday, very soon.

1. How does any member who is as much of a newbie as you rack up over 1,000 posts in this short of a time?

2. In order to produce even "speed runs" as I think Sal Glesser of Spyderco calls them, you have to do like 500 pieces. Are you prepared to bankroll them yourself? You balk at a measly $60.00 for a single piece. You are employed in some way, are you not?

3. Per one of your other misguided posts, just because a knife company makes good working knives, and is popular, does not make them one of the "Big Two", Buck and Gerber produce more product and have higher bottom lines than Benchmade and Spyderco, and a biggie, that no one ever seems to mention that just got into the knife business is Leatherman. Do you have any idea how much product Leatherman produces?

4. This is a small sampling of the population at large that hangs out here, and for the most part, it is free. I mean, look at you, you are not even a paying member to support the BF Community. It is easy to ask for something that you have no intention of buying, I know, I have run a cutlery business in the past, and the tire kickers out populate the buyers by a ratio of about 10 to 1.

5. I know Thomas, just like I know Les, Sal, Chuck, CJ, Tim, Jeff and a whole bunch of other high mucky mucks in the cutlery field. I think Thomas posts here to show the commitment of Kershaw to the WHOLE cutlery community, and to get some feedback from motivated and passionate collectors and users. He comes here on his own personal time, and is a great reservoir of knowledge and experience in the field. Try not to abuse his dedication, and show some appreciation.

How many people hang out in General, where the knife savvy of the average attending individual is not necessarily called into question. If you tried some of the cunning stunts that you do here, in the Customs Forum, your ass would be handed to you on an S30V platter.

I am not trying to be a complete dick, just a partial one. Consider this a wake up call. You hold way too high an opinion of yourself, and would do all of us, and yourself a great service by occasionaly, and I mean, just every now and then, shutting the FU, and learning something for a change. You cannot learn and speak at the same time. No one can.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

I don't give a F who you are friends with, that post was just plain rude and uncalled for, not to mention having nothing whatsoever to do with the thread.

If you don't like a user's posts, then don't read them, thats what the ignore feature is for.

Christ all the guy is doing is wishing for a knife. I don't know what you thought your whiney little tie raid was going to accomplish, but the only thing that it did accomplish was to make you look like a total arogent jackass.

Not to even mention that there seemed to be a backhanded insult to Cliff Stamp in there too, and user who has contributed one hell of a lot more to this forum than you ever have.

Somebody here has WAY to high an opinion of themselves, and it ain't Artfully Martial.

 

[Murky Depth]

Murky, I'm assuming the pain you refer to is with the blade steels we use. I hope you understand this is a business decision. Every knife we produce could potentially have an exotic piece of steel, but it is a reality that volume knife buying does not happen in "high end" production. It is unfortunate that those that appreciate and demand finer cutlery don't make up the numbers to grow a manufacurer's business. Are there companies that focus on just high end? Sure, but they are specialty manufacturer's that don't represent the masses.
I dont believe the Sandvick steel we continue to use is painful to most, 440A either. On this board there are more steel junkies, so we try to cater to them as well. We do use S30V, CPM-154, D-2, and there will be that 3V project, but these upper end pieces will be selective, as these offerings will not expand our business. We do continue to hear your voices, and hopefully the "choice" pieces we do offer will be enough to show that Kershaw can cover the full spectrum for everyone to enjoy. In an effort to keep you all satisfied (we enjoy it also), I can say there will be more and more flagship Kershaw knives in the near future.

Art, again thanks for dreaming of an exotic Mini Mojo, you just said what we talk about a ton within the walls of Kershaw.

Thomas
Kershaw Knives

Thanks for the response. Not to get it mistaken, I'm an absolute fan of the latest generation of Kershaw knives. I do understand the economics of business, so your willingness to keep an open ear to the knut subculture of steel junkies is very much appreciated.

 

[Nick Hyle]

Thomas, I appreciate reading your posts here. It's nice, as a consumer, to be able to hear the thoughts of the producer.

 

[BladeGoblin]

Not to even mention that there seemed to be a backhanded insult to Cliff Stamp in there too, and user who has contributed one hell of a lot more to this forum than you ever have.

That's very funny, tell me what Cliff Stamp contributes?

Do yourself a favor and read some of Kohai999's threads in the custom forum, you might learn something (that is if you pay attention to what's being said) I know I have.

 

[Thomas W]

Murky, Kershaw is part of that sub-culture. With Ken O's innovation and designs, the Strider team lending a hand, Grant & Gavin Hawk are part of the family, Tim Galyean (if you haven't seen his customs, you should) is heading up our R&D dept., we have done a collaboration with Spyderco, we have people working at Kershaw that have earned a living for literally decades in knife industry. Kershaw is more than just a casual knife cutlery manufacturer, we are imbedded into the knife community for the long haul, and you will see us continue to push the envelope in the coming years. Our MIM technology will turn out unreal blade geometry that our industry has yet to see, and maybe even fully understand at this time.

As knife people we feel it is our responsibility to vest our knife interests, talents and knowledge into groups such as American Knife & Tool Institute (AKTI), the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation (RMEF), the National Wild Turkey Federation (NWTF), the Paralyzed Veterans Association (PVA) and others.

We are the junkies that you speak of Murky, we love the top shelf knives/materials like you do. We love to collect them, make em, sell em, ship em, and we love to watch people appreciate them.

Steven, Goblin, let's not make this thread about your personal feelings with Cliff. I do agree that you can take knowledge from kohai999's "non agenda" postings though.

Thomas
Kershaw Knives

 

[Kohai999]

Murky, Kershaw is part of that sub-culture. With Ken O's innovation and designs, the Strider team lending a hand, Grant & Gavin Hawk are part of the family, Tim Galyean (if you haven't seen his customs, you should) is heading up our R&D dept., we have done a collaboration with Spyderco, we have people working at Kershaw that have earned a living for literally decades in knife industry. Kershaw is more than just a casual knife cutlery manufacturer, we are imbedded into the knife community for the long haul, and you will see us continue to push the envelope in the coming years. Our MIM technology will turn out unreal blade geometry that our industry has yet to see, and maybe even fully understand at this time.

Thomas,

No doubt Igurashi-san, Jeff, Craig Green, and lately, you, have really provided an infrastructure that enables excellence to be expected, rather than hoped for.
I don't know if there is such a thing as a "casual" cutlery manufacturer, not one with your level of back catalog, at any rate.

As knife people we feel it is our responsibility to vest our knife interests, talents and knowledge into groups such as American Knife & Tool Institute (AKTI), the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation (RMEF), the National Wild Turkey Federation (NWTF), the Paralyzed Veterans Association (PVA) and others.

Anyone with vested interests in a specific and specialized field should become active in the community, and as an individual, give back. That is why my company is actively associated with AKTI, and why I personally have an NRA Life membership, am a Regular member of the ABS, the OKCA and The American Legion, as well as Platinum status here, and why I made mention of that in my initial post. It applies to everyone.

We are the junkies that you speak of Murky, we love the top shelf knives/materials like you do. We love to collect them, make em, sell em, ship em, and we love to watch people appreciate them.

Steven, Goblin, let's not make this thread about your personal feelings with Cliff. I do agree that you can take knowledge from kohai999's "non agenda" postings though.

Thomas
Kershaw Knives

Thomas, it is not about Cleft, or so much having an agenda. It is simply about having too much of a particular attitude. Maybe if I had dragged up something from Page 3 last night, instead of "highjacking" THIS thread, the resistance that I am getting would be more nut-hugging along the lines of "we like Artfully Martial, you poo-head, go away", instead of "highjacking" being thrown around. Just like Cleft, Art has irritated as many people as he has enthralled.

Thanks again for your time, and boundless energy in accomodating all things Kershaw related.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[bubinga]

I'd like to sing Kershaw's praises loudly and longly.

If it were not for Kershaw and Ken Onion's designs in particular, this industry would be a wildly different, less exciting, and much smaller place. There would be fewer brick-and-mortars, fewer web dealers, and fewer and less interesting choices for consumers if these knives were still custom-only. Any dealers reading this will shudder when they consider what their bottom lines would look like if it were not for Kershaw and Ken Onion.

They should especially be praised for making these knives available at prices that non-aesthetes can live with, and this involves steels that may have to be sharpened a tad more frequently than S30V and 154CM offerings. No manufacturer of Kershaw's size can ignore the average Joe who just wants a decent user knife and they ought to be damned grateful they can get a performer like the Leek at the price they can get it at.

Kershaw also should be commended for manufacturing their products in a timely manner, and treating their dealers and distributors like the important business partners they are. They also did good in hiring Thomas W. for their sales manager, because he's got a resume to die for and is one of the genuinely smart and nice guys in this industry.

They also can't be faulted for treating their business like a business--meaning some of the more exotic ideas out there won't make it to fruition because they won't be profitable--like the Leek from hell that will only exist in my mind.

 

[Kazeryu]

Artfully Martial,

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1. How does any member who is as much of a newbie as you rack up over 1,000 posts in this short of a time?

...

I don't normally get involved with trolling flamewars, but I am rather curious about when someone stops being a newbie in your opinion. I mean, seven months isn't long enough?

as for the rest - it seemed out of place to me, but I'm not going to comment on the veracity of your claims - I don't know either of you well enough to do so.

 

[Murky Depth]

Murky, Kershaw is part of that sub-culture. With Ken O's innovation and designs, the Strider team lending a hand, Grant & Gavin Hawk are part of the family, Tim Galyean (if you haven't seen his customs, you should) is heading up our R&D dept.

Holy smokes, that's an awesome team. I'm definitely looking forward to the things to come from Kershaw.

Artfully Martial, keep posting at full force, you can't please everyone all the time.

Steven, you're just sounding more and more arrogant with each post. You citing your "credentials" as a high & mighty community member overlooking a field of ungrateful minions was old at the beginning of the thread. I'm not trying to incite a riot here, but please, either apologize to the guy or just let it go.

As for what I'd like to see from Kershaw? A Double-sized Leek or Centofante . Doesn't even have to be speedsafed, manual is fine. Those are such a great blade designs, that they just beg to be Blur-sized in the very least. Thanks for listening Thomas, & keep up the great work!

 

[Thomas W]

bubinga, strong wise words, much appreciated.

Now exotic ideas can happen, we do have distributors that like to pick up sprint runs of non-cataloged items. Can you say S30V Leek....Blur?

What does your Leek from hell look like?

Murky, it is indeed an awesome team, and I am humbled to be part of it, and am so looking toward the future with them.

Thomas
Kershaw Knives

 

[PerformanceFirst]

I would like to request more knives with left handed pocket clips from Kershaw. I think Kershaw offers some of the coolest knives for the money, but a lot of them seem to lack ambidextrous clips.