Can the Paramilitary 2 be considered a gravity knife?

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So my PM2 just came in yesterday and it is awesome!! But in New York gravity knives are illegal to carry. Since you can do a spydie drop or even flick open the PM2 from just holding the compression lock can the knife be considered a gravity knife. I really want to carry the knife.
 
I don't see how it could be. You'd have to make some serious effort in order to flick the blade out of the handle without using the Spyderhole.
 
You can tighten the pivot so it can't be flicked open with your wrist but still open with your thumb
 
I wouldn't want to leave anything up to the discretion of a cop. That tends to not work out.
 
My aunt who was a Manhattan prosecutor for a bunch of years told me that cops have been known to aggressively and exaggeratedly shake knives until they open to "prove" that they are actually gravity knives. Be careful!
 
Its not. But, from what I understand, if a NYC cop decides it is, or wants it to be one...it is.
 
Yes it can be and they will.I no this sounds wrong but it has a hole anf can flip also it locks .I no its not a gravity knife. They will arrest you in nyc .you might beat it in court but why try.do not show a pocket clip.I would only bring a case or swiss army
 
Quiet said:
I don't see how it could be. You'd have to make some serious effort in order to flick the blade out of the handle without using the Spyderhole.
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He means by holding the compression lock and letting the blade fall open
 
Unfortunately, it can be...as can most of my ZTs (and the list doesn't end there).
If you're in The City, or plan to be, I'd be darned careful about carrying it out and about. Outside of NYC, you'd be less likely to have an issue; however, if an officer has reason to screw with you, it could still become a headache.
 
Gravity knife definition? For me, a gravity knife is any knife (generally folder) that you can flick (wrist action) the blade open even if you have to release a locking devise to do so. So if you can do that with a PM, it's a gravity knife (or can be). The ballisong is probably the classic gravity knife and they are often illegal to carry.
 
If I depress the lock on my main user para, it absolutely falls open. It's one of my favorite things about the knife. I can open or close it really fast and smoothly by just pressing the lock and making a subtle motion with my arm.
 
Gravity knife definition in NY:
"Gravity knife" means any
knife has blade which is released from the handle or
sheath thereof by the force of gravity of the application
of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in
place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other
device. [Note: In NYC, and potentially in other NY
jurisdictions, this definition is construed to apply to
ANY folding knife with a blade that locks open. ]
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In NY state the definition of a gravity blade is on that can be opened by the use of a button or lever using gravity or centrifugal force. Any knife that can be opened
with the flick of the wrist is then a gravity blade in the eyes of the law. Cops in NYC will hold the blade, partially opening it and flick it open to prove it is a gravity knife. They hardly ever win in court, but it gets them an arrest in the books.
 
My cousin was a NYC cop and he told me that even though that the concealed laws states 4" or less. The clip and the fact the handle can be seen if a shirt/jacket is not completely covering it, could get you arrested for open carry. As for the PM2 being a gravity knife.....mine is pretty tight and cannot be flicked open.
 
I've always been told any locking knife is a gravity knife in NYC. The cops are even trained to look for pocket clips. Not worth trying IMHO.

My buddy got harassed by a cop for having a leatherman in the city because of the blade. Thankfully it was amongst other tools he needed to do his job so the cop let him go but he told him it was only because he needed it for his job.
 
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marcinek said:
Its not. But, from what I understand, if a NYC cop decides it is, or wants it to be one...it is.
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As someone who lives in Chicago, this is accurate. Be smart, be respectful, and be careful... regardless of what the written law says.
 
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