Can We Get Axis Locks On Everything Please?

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BigWillie said:
Yea i can close anything with one hand too

Frame locks and liner locks are terrible, you shoudl be ashamed you bought them. Don't come to my thread to try to justify your crap choices without something more than non sequitur ramblings.

You got a better lock?

Name it

Otherwise again. Your views mean nothing

Make an argument.

Buying case products, haha.
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why so defensive ? ... it's you waffling about everything and losing your cool here ... not us ...

another fool ... thinking they can come into a group of knowledgable people and say "they know best"

and you have failed to even recognise all the posts telling you about better locks ... so what good would repeating any of that do?

But you claiming the axis is easier or safer yada yada blah blah blah ...

none of it is true it's that simple and I pointed out your own statements of ease and safety ...

if you don't want to read or hear knowledgable people make valid points ... then maybe it's you who shouldn't come to ... "your thread" ... oh wait ... this is on a public forum ... "our forum" you know the people who are members and care about it to join in and help support it ... open to all ... imagine that ... one more thing you've been wrong about and lost your cool ...

there are "trolls" and "know it alls" ... then there is a whole new level we are seeing here ...

oh wait let me add an "lol" ... to try to act like I'm better and smarter than everyone ...

some people just never learn and can't contemplate a world where they might just be wrong ...

carry on mr predictable ... we have tall boots from your kind before ...
 
JJ_Colt45 said:
why so defensive ? ... it's you waffling about everything and losing your cool here ... not us ...

another fool ... thinking they can come into a group of knowledgable people and say "they know best"

and you have failed to even recognise all the posts telling you about better locks ... so what good would repeating any of that do?

But you claiming the axis is easier or safer yada yada blah blah blah ...

none of it is true it's that simple and I pointed out your own statements of ease and safety ...

if you don't want to read or hear knowledgable people make valid points ... then maybe it's you who shouldn't come to ... "your thread" ... oh wait ... this is on a public forum ... "our forum" you know the people who are members and care about it to join in and help support it ... open to all ... imagine that ... one more thing you've been wrong about and lost your cool ...

there are "trolls" and "know it alls" ... then there is a whole new level we are seeing here ...

oh wait let me add an "lol" ... to try to act like I'm better and smarter than everyone ...

some people just never learn and can't contemplate a world where they might just be wrong ...

carry on mr predictable ... we have tall boots from your kind before ...
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Defensive?

lol

If you had read the thread you'd know how i'm gauging these locks

Lock strenght + ease of use/ergos. As anyone sane who uses a folder would

The Triad is not better than an axis lock under that frame of reference*. It can handle as much pressure as I weigh. That's pretty near the ceiling although not there. Maybe a 8 out of 10 for the spring locks. With a triad being 10/10 way above what I can break.

But as locks go a triad is like 6/10 ease of use.

An axis lock is 9/10 ease of use as manual folders go, maybe even 10 of 10 for a manual. There is nothing easier to open and close

Other than that no other lock comes close.

Maybe read the thread before you start making accusations about how I'm ignoring the replies. Which is absurd.

Again leave mine or make an argument. Just non sequitur that have nothing to do with the discussion. Case knife lol

Tell me the lock you like. Not just vaguely reference some imaginary ones. Or again, leave there is enough clutter here already
 
The Zieg said:
Serious question for the Axis Forces here (heh, couldn't resist the jab :D): With the open space around the slide of the lock, how resistant to mud and dirt and other debris is the mechanism? I know my older locks will function in really bad conditions and I can operate them with frozen or gloved or even mittened hands, in the slippery guts of animals, retrieve them from pockets swimming with hay, and pull them from mud and expect them to work. Of course the Buck 110 comes to mind, as that's what I'm usually carrying, but the Opinel N°12 and SAK Trekker also hold up in the aforementioned conditions.

I ask this seriously because, as I said, I am ignorant.

Zieg
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It seems to be self cleaning, because the axis lock bar keeps constant contact with the blade tang and can sweep debris off of the blade tang as you open it. As long as dirt isn't actually directly between the bar and the blade tang or liners, there won't be an issue, and that won't happen because of how the pieces slide.

I've never seen one not lock properly because of dirt or dust. Conversely, I have heard of triad or back/mid locks not locking when the blade tang pockets get full of stuff. YMMV, of course.
 
Twindog said:
You're right that it's a weak detent. I carry a Rukus with a heavy, 4+ inch blade, and I can shake it open easily without touching the lock. I can also easily shake open the CS AD 10 with the Tri-Ad lock.

When I get the blade tension set correctly, I can hold the Rukus in a horizontal position, pull back the Axis lock, and the blade will fall open and swing freely a couple times like a pendulum. And the blade lockup is solid. To close, I pull back the Axis lock, and let gravity do the closing.

I don't look at this detent/opening characteristic as a bug. I see it as a feature.

I've never had my Rukus open accidentally, even a little bit, and I've been carrying it for more than a decade. Gardening, wood chopping, running, cliff climbing, hiking, roll-on-the-ground dog wrestling -- never an issue.

I've never broken a spring. The lock has never gummed up, even though my pockets are often full of straw fragments from no-till gardening. I love the weak detent.
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I've never had an omega spring break. I also haven't had an axis lock open accidentally and cut me (mostly because of proper pocket carry protocol). That doesn't mean these aren't weaknesses in the axis lock in my opinion.

The op seems to think the axis lock is the best but there are a few very easy to point out design elements that many feel make it not the best.

There is no best lock. Or steel. Or company. Or whatever. It is all trade offs in one way or another.

Btw, my solution to the axis lock detent issue was to buy a 665 APB. It is a button actuated axis lock with a manual safety to lock it closed or open. Great but if engineering. I wish they used it more.
 
craytab said:
I've never had an omega spring break. I also haven't had an axis lock open accidentally and cut me (mostly because of proper pocket carry protocol). That doesn't mean these aren't weaknesses in the axis lock in my opinion.

The op seems to think the axis lock is the best but there are a few very easy to point out design elements that many feel make it not the best.

There is no best lock. Or steel. Or company. Or whatever. It is all trade offs in one way or another.

Btw, my solution to the axis lock detent issue was to buy a 665 APB. It is a button actuated axis lock with a manual safety to lock it closed or open. Great but if engineering. I wish they used it more.
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All these critiques are of benchmades implementation

Not of an actual "axis lock" in the generic sense

There are many ways to push a piece of metal above a pivot with a spring.

Literally anythuing but the general wear you have on from the pin or whatever is fixable. And all other locks wear away too.

People imagine axis locks as benchmades implemnationat. No

It's just a spring with a piece of metal. Can come in a lotta forms.

It's not a perfectly understood lock up, and the theoretical perfect implementation changes with the profile.
 
BigWillie said:
All these critiques are of benchmades implementation

Not of an actual "axis lock" in the generic sense

There are many ways to push a piece of metal above a pivot with a spring.

Literally anythuing but the general wear you have on from the pin or whatever is fixable. And all other locks wear away too.

People imagine axis locks as benchmades implemnationat. No

It's just a spring with a piece of metal. Can come in a lotta forms.

It's not a perfectly understood lock up, and the theoretical perfect implementation changes with the profile.
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Have you experienced an axis style lock that does not have a weak detent? I haven't.
 
BigWillie said:
All these critiques are of benchmades implementation

Not of an actual "axis lock" in the generic sense

There are many ways to push a piece of metal above a pivot with a spring.

Literally anythuing but the general wear you have on from the pin or whatever is fixable. And all other locks wear away too.

People imagine axis locks as benchmades implemnationat. No

It's just a spring with a piece of metal. Can come in a lotta forms.

It's not a perfectly understood lock up, and the theoretical perfect implementation changes with the profile.
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Beefing up the springs to make them less breakable will also reduce usability.
 
The problem with saying something is the best is that there is no such thing.

This typically happens with triad lock fans. That is easy to punch holes in as well. Nothing is best. Anyone who tells you so shouldn't be trusted.
 
craytab said:
Have you experienced an axis style lock that does not have a weak detent? I haven't.
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The ganzo ones do not have a weak detent

But they use very stiff springs relative to benchmade....

Spring tension or whatever the proper technical term is
 
craytab said:
The problem with saying something is the best is that there is no such thing.

This typically happens with triad lock fans. That is easy to punch holes in as well. Nothing is best. Anyone who tells you so shouldn't be trusted.
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What's best blade profile. Hard choice

What'st eh best steel if money was no object. Hard choice

What's the best lock up given the metrics we generally gauge these things by?

I think we do have an answer unlike many other such questions about what knife to choose.

Now maybe in 2030 it won't be obvious. But in 2019 it is
 
BigWillie said:
Defensive?

lol

If you had read the thread you'd know how i'm gauging these locks

Lock strenght + ease of use/ergos. As anyone sane who uses a folder would

The Triad is not better than an axis lock under that frame of reference*. It can handle as much pressure as I weigh. That's pretty near the ceiling although not there. Maybe a 8 out of 10 for the spring locks. With a triad being 10/10 way above what I can break.

But as locks go a triad is like 6/10 ease of use.

An axis lock is 9/10 ease of use as manual folders go, maybe even 10 of 10 for a manual. There is nothing easier to open and close

Other than that no other lock comes close.

Maybe read the thread before you start making accusations about how I'm ignoring the replies. Which is absurd.

Again leave mine or make an argument. Just non sequitur that have nothing to do with the discussion. Case knife lol

Tell me the lock you like. Not just vaguely reference some imaginary ones. Or again, leave there is enough clutter here already
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I've read the thread ... that's how I know all the BS your spewing and dismissing people who know far more than you and your so called tests.

And how you "lol" trying to act like you're in control instead of showing your complete lack of knowledge and basis for the crap you keep repeating.

Now if you would read and could comrehend what people posted ... then that might help ... but you chose to think to know more then everyone here combined ....

so insult me all you like ... repeat your nonsense all you like ... it will still be just as wrong as the first 50 times you've blown ot out.

as I said carry on mr predictable ... troll away ...
 
BigWillie said:
The ganzo ones do not have a weak detent

But they use very stiff springs relative to benchmade....

Spring tension or whatever the proper technical term is
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They can easily be flung open just like the legit knives. I'd trust just about any other type of lock to stay closed over an axis style lock, and I do. My go to for rigorous activity knife is a Pacific salt. I'd never put an axis lock through what I have that one, simply based on the axis lock's weak detent.

And btw, ganzo is a shit knock off brand. We don't support them here.
 
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Let's sum up what we've learned.

OP would like a new lock that's better executed and functioning than all the rest to be used on all new knives and existing models.

Questions?
 
BigWillie said:
All these critiques are of benchmades implementation
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Of course the axis lock comments are about Benchmades - even though the patent is expired, they still own the name (registered trademark). While other companies/makers can now use that lock type, they can't call it an axis lock.
 
Look, you clearly like the axis lock best. Good for you. Have fun with it

I don’t concede that the axis is the best lock, quite frankly it’s not, but why should you care what I think of it? If I want a real hard use knife, I grab a full tang fixed blade.

Enjoy your “hard use” benchmades :D
 
JJ_Colt45 said:
I've read the thread ... that's how I know all the BS your spewing and dismissing people who know far more than you and your so called tests.

And how you "lol" trying to act like you're in control instead of showing your complete lack of knowledge and basis for the crap you keep repeating.

Now if you would read and could comrehend what people posted ... then that might help ... but you chose to think to know more then everyone here combined ....

so insult me all you like ... repeat your nonsense all you like ... it will still be just as wrong as the first 50 times you've blown ot out.

as I said carry on mr predictable ... troll away ...
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Oh yea mister case knife. You're an aficionado. Knives are such complicated things how could anyone wrap their heads around these complex topics? Oh man just leave it to those who know best and are taking my money, right? Hahaha

I don't have any brand loyalty nor am i stuck in sunk cost fallacy.

Unlike many of you. Just looking at something like a CBBL or axis you should know the moment you open it up it's superior.

Every maker here knows that. Whether they want to admit or not is another thing.

15 dollar chinese knives have superior lock ups to 300 dollar flippers.

You'd have to have not see the pin/CBBL/bar being above teh pivot is far superior to a tab of metal. It's ingenious relative to other manual folders. And obviously has very little downside if you don't make the springs too weak so it flips nice outta the box.
 
BigWillie said:
If the combatants together weigh 400 pounds and your knife can only sustain 100 poudns of pressure.

You've not reached the ceiling of functional lock strength in the context you might use it.

Hell a large dog could fold some of these in on you if he rammed into it fast enough.
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I don't think that's how physics works, unless you are both tied to the knife and you are dangling off the side of the building and it's the only thing holding you up.
 
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