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Why tell me every time I'm shopping for a knife on your site conus comes up? WTF!!! What happened to free trade between Canada & Us? The way it is now matter as well be from North Korea!!!
 
Free trade is a matter of tax cooperation between nations.
Choice of who to sell to is an individual decision of the seller.

I am moving this to FEEDBACK, where we have this same discussion regularly.
 
Even if it also makes me sad, you have to admit, than shipping to Canada, for a US citizen is an added burden.

1- Prices are higher (and seller will charge you for that).
2- Canadian Customs are not renowned for their speed and there's always a possibility than they charge an import tax.
3- Buyers tends to become itchy when the knives doesn't show up for 3 weeks.
4- Paperwork is a tad more complicated than shipping "in house".
5- There's less recourse for them in case of fraud.

All in all, the decision of individuals can be understandable.

If I may add; treat the peoples that will accept to ship to Canuckistan with the utmost respect and courtesy; they will tend to accept to repeat the experience more easily, with you, and others. On the same boat; once burned, somebody will think about it twice or thrice before they accept to do it again.

Just my thoughts.
 
Too much hassle for me. I like the path of least resistance. US sales only. I won't complain or whine if you Canadians put Canadian sales only in your ads.:)
 
If there is an item for sale that says conus only but I really want it I will ask if there is anyway I can change their mind and make it worth their while in doing so. If they still prefer to keep it conus only then its done and I leave it alone. It does suck sometimes since I have missed out on several knives I wanted but everyone has their reasons for shipping to who they want and Im ok with that. For the sellers that do offer shipping to Canada I greatly appreciate it and thank them tremendously for doing so in hopes they continue to ship here.
 
most people will ship to Canada. they just have to charge more for the higher cost of shipping. just ask them if you can pay a little more to have it sent up
 
In all seriousness though the main issues are laws, customs, trackability, fraud, lack of recourse for fraud or theft etc. I personally wouldn't say I would never ship outside the conus, but it would make me a lot more nervous during the wait. There are so many more variables to be concerned about and it's bad enough possibly getting burned on a sale or trade in the conus that outside it there isn't even anything legal we could do about it. It is nice to be able to get products from other Countries and I have gotten a few great items from faraway places. I would understand though if they were reluctant to ship outside their Country. Best advice that was given here is contact the member and ask if they would consider making an exception and don't get upset if they prefer not to ship out of the Country. One last thing I wanted to mention of importance to a lot of members including myself. IN regards to Import duties, taxes and customs documents. Asking a member to fill out a legal document and make untruthful statements is not something I would consider doing and would find it insulting. I totally understand that no one wants to get screwed over and pay huge taxes and import fee's but at the same time asking someone to lie on forms is unethical. I'm not going to say something is worth 50.00 when I'm shipping a 300.00 item. It also makes it hard to make an insurance claim on an item worth 300.00 when it was stated it is worth 50.00. Then who is going to eat the 250.00? something else to consider when conducting overseas transactions.
 
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Tombstone is spot on here, it is really unfortunate that some shipping disasters and lost parcels are bound to happen, that tends to scare off a great deal of prospective sellers. I have completed many successful deals across the CA/US border and so far I have not incurred any losses, anyone that is willing to buy or sell across borders should be ready to protect themselves and spend the money on insurance and fully trackable shipping methods, never lie on forms, and just avoid UPS between CA/US at all costs.

Thanks to all the American traders that still deal with us up here, I for one appreciate it and have put quite a few nice blades in my collection because of this.
 
I don't really care one way or the other. Somebody's always willing to take my money. I have twice turned down potential buyers in the past who wouldn't ship to Canada, though.

Would do it more often, if my memory was better:p

When I have deals either way cross/border, it usually takes a bit more time, but that's part of the game. As long as both parties understand this and make sure to fully insure the product, there's not likely to be any problems.
 
One thing I should caution people in regards to using Postal Services. Like I stated in a different thread I had great difficulty recovering an insurance claim. Based on my experience I would warn people having a false sense of security with tracking and insurance. Especially with the Postal Service outside the Country. Does anybody have experience with successfully recovering an insurance claim on an item that is lost,stolen, or damaged outside the borders of the Country of origin with their Postal system?




flipe8 said:
I don't really care one way or the other. Somebody's always willing to take my money. I have twice turned down potential buyers in the past who wouldn't ship to Canada, though.

Would do it more often, if my memory was better:p

When I have deals either way cross/border, it usually takes a bit more time, but that's part of the game. As long as both parties understand this and make sure to fully insure the product, there's not likely to be any problems.
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I don't mind shipping to Canada. It is stressful because of what has been mentioned, customs, the import duty (for you, because I will not lie on a declaration form I'm signing my name to), and the overwhelming efficiency of your postal service. Being neighbors, you would think it would have to be such a huge pain, but there you go.
 
Two of my recent transactions have been with our cousins to the North and they were both pleasent. I'll trade, sell or buy from you guys any day. Screw me over and I'll hunt you down and hurt you.;) No stress for me. ((Joking...kinda.))
 
I receive & ship knives for a couple of Canadian friends here on BF when they find something from a seller here who for whatever misguided reason won't ship out of CONUS.
They cover the cost & accept the risk(?) and we've had no problems after 5 or 6 such transactions over the past few years.
I've never had a package go missing after leaving CONUS, but have had 2 go missing here in CONUS so I don't consider shipping to Canada a risk in the least.
Package the knives good(see the sticky above),fill out the form & mail it..no problem.Doh!:rolleyes:
I've sent knives to Australia,Austria & Poland with no problems also.:thumbup:

CONUS only? :confused: :thumbdn:
 
I hear where your coming from, and I've had hundreds of flawless domestic and some out of Country transactions with no issues as well. But those aren't the transactions that we need to be concerned about. It only takes one issue to get a bad taste, especially if it's significant value to the person shipping. I have seen situations occur in a sale or trades about they will take the risk and when it went bad the tune changed. You can even provide emails stating they obsolve you of all risk to Paypal and you will still lose on a claim.fyi


mykel m said:
I receive & ship knives for a couple of Canadian friends here on BF when they find something from a seller here who for whatever misguided reason won't ship out of CONUS.
They cover the cost & accept the risk(?) and we've had no problems after 5 or 6 such transactions over the past few years.
I've never had a package go missing after leaving CONUS, but have had 2 go missing here in CONUS so I don't consider shipping to Canada a risk in the least.
Package the knives good(see the sticky above),fill out the form & mail it..no problem.Doh!:rolleyes:
I've sent knives to Australia,Austria & Poland with no problems also.:thumbup:

CONUS only? :confused: :thumbdn:
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Knives imported into Canada have a 5% duty rate attached if manufactured outside of North America(thats if its even applied). Add that with your HST or PST/GST and you have your customs fees. Any additional shipping fee are added by the shipping company for brokering your goods into Canada. Basically paying them to do the behind the scenes import paperwork.

One option I'm lucky to have is to ship to a us address and self import aka. declaring at the border. Usually only paying my HST at 13%.

Never had any issues bringing anything in, and shipping stateside is a breeze (usually)
 
Actually yes, but that's not really the point. The point was you can't release me from being responsible for the item as far as Paypal is concerned. Other than Paypaling a gift payment to me and violating the Paypal terms, I'm still accountable for your shipment to get to you. When I ship a knife from me to say Florida, no one has to contend with added issues such as customs. I'm not advocating everyone not shipping outside the USA, but there are greater risks with additional issues that do not affect domestic shipments like customs. Obsolving me of risk sounds good but in a situation where I get the Busse you shipped me but the high end tactical folder I send you gets snatched in customs or lost or stolen etc. are you gonna feel ok with that, when your at a huge loss??? And like I asked before with my own troubled experience with a claim, has anybody had any luck recovering on an insurance claim, that a lost or stolen parcel occurred outside the Country? If my insured knife gets stolen or lost in in Canada, I'm gonna get my money back??? Better hope so since shipping to Canada isn't a big deal right?? Exchanging information here is good and getting some tips to help ease problems with international shipping being helpful. However; false or misleading information needs to be corrected. It's not fair to pump people up with a false sense of security so you can make purchases or trades.


macknife12 said:
So is it easier to get your money back from a bad deal in CONUS as apposed to Canada?
Cheers
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I've sold and purchased many knives, to and from the US, without any issues whatsoever. When I send a Knife to the US, it is fully insured with tracking. Whenever I receive a knife from the US, the package is generally sent with tracking and insurance and picked up from USPS by Canada Post for a hassle-free delivery, and I pay whatever duty/customs fees are required when I pick up the parcel.
I'm not particularly concerned that many will not ship to Canada or Internationally from the US. I respect the fact that this is a personal choice.
There are many American makers/sellers who I frequently share positive interactions/sales with in the forum and I look forward to future transactions with them, as well as with other members that I'll meet in the future.
 
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TOMBSTONE said:
Actually yes, but that's not really the point. The point was you can't release me from being responsible for the item as far as Paypal is concerned. Other than Paypaling a gift payment to me and violating the Paypal terms, I'm still accountable for your shipment to get to you. When I ship a knife from me to say Florida, no one has to contend with added issues such as customs. I'm not advocating everyone not shipping outside the USA, but there are greater risks with additional issues that do not affect domestic shipments like customs. Obsolving me of risk sounds good but in a situation where I get the Busse you shipped me but the high end tactical folder I send you gets snatched in customs or lost or stolen etc. are you gonna feel ok with that, when your at a huge loss??? And like I asked before with my own troubled experience with a claim, has anybody had any luck recovering on an insurance claim, that a lost or stolen parcel occurred outside the Country? If my insured knife gets stolen or lost in in Canada, I'm gonna get my money back??? Better hope so since shipping to Canada isn't a big deal right?? Exchanging information here is good and getting some tips to help ease problems with international shipping being helpful. However; false or misleading information needs to be corrected. It's not fair to pump people up with a false sense of security so you can make purchases or trades.
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I know customs can be the obvious issue in some cases. Even if the paperwork is solid, it could come down to someones 'bad day' or something along those lines. I have never had to claim anything from customs, been ok so far, but I would tend to agree with you on that being difficult. Personally, if I have a worried seller, I will pay up front no questions. Especially if they are someone who I have dealt with before, or check out ok with peers. I would never mislead, nor give someone false hope in such a transaction. If my government does wrong to my trading partner, then I am obligated to make right. That is my own personal philosophy.
Good point on communication though. I'll bet someone who is skeptical now, who may get involved in this thread, could even have a change of heart after a bit of friendly communication on this thread.
Cheers
 
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