Canal Street Cutlery needed to close....

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Yikes!
Now it was said with vehemence?
In this country if you have a business and you cant keep the quality of your product to the standards of the consumer, you close your doors, that's all I was saying, and not with any dang vehemence, sheesh!
 
I didn't say it was ridiculous for you not to buy their products anymore, I said it was ridiculous to state that they "needed to close" based on a bad knife that you got. "If you have a business and you can't keep the quality of your product to the standards of the consumer, you close your doors." There you go again. I didn't know that your opinion and review of two knives from their millions produced means they need to shut down.
 
Jsega51 said:
I didn't say it was ridiculous for you not to buy their products anymore, I said it was ridiculous to state that they "needed to close" based on a bad knife that you got. "If you have a business and you can't keep the quality of your product to the standards of the consumer, you close your doors." There you go again. I didn't know that your opinion and review of two knives from their millions produced means they need to shut down.
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You just want to argue, that's all there is to it, are you female?HAHAHA
 
lentuk, your thread title (based on 1 or 2 knives!) was bound to cause trouble, your follow up posts could lead one to believe that was your intent.
 
Not my intent at all, just my observations of a really poor example of a hundred dollar knife.
And because of posts saying GEC has problems also, (I currently own 15 examples) they are all extremely well made with no issues at all.
I guess GEC has spoiled me.
 
I have plenty of CSC knives that I have no complaints with as far as fit and finish go. My only issue with CSC knives have been the "soft" feeling action. I prefer snappier slip joints but that's personal preference and not a QC problem. I carry a half moon trapper frequently. Sad to see an American cutlery company close it's doors.
 
I'm guessing that the knife in question that slipped QC, will be taken care of. I only have three CSC's and they are all absolutely fabulous. Two forum knives, and a k-bar Coppersmith Barlow. With somewhere between 200-300 in my collection, they are ones I show off often. I wish I had found them sooner, and could afford more of them. And like many, I hate to see any good company lose jobs for anyone that wants to work and support their family. Especially one with skilled trades, and a product I really enjoy to boot. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 
lentuk said:
You just want to argue, that's all there is to it, are you female?HAHAHA
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There was no argument. My statements were backed up by everyone else that posted in this thread. Just because you got one bad knife, you're saying the company was right for closing their doors. That's about as ignorant as you can get. Since you don't have a logical reply to my reasonable statement, you resort to name calling, and that's called immaturity. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to have sharp objects.
 
Perhaps instead of a crap on canal street thread, this could have been a positive thread about the customer service you received from your knife vendor. AG? I assume that means AG Russell. If it is, I have heard that they have a great customer service and return policy.

I would be more willing to agree with your statements if you had received a replacement, and that knife also had major issues. Instead, you based your whole opinion of a knife company on one example, and your comparison to GEC on the examples you have in your collection.

Guess what, as awesome as GEC is, they have QC issues. In fact, I read about one in a thread very recently where the tip of the OP knife was sticking above the liners. A lot. Had the OP based his opinion of GEC knives on one knife, he might have come to the conclusion that they should close their doors also.

I have many GEC knives, and also many Canal Street knives. Are they all perfect? Of course not. And if they were as poor as the knife you posted, I would likely have sent it back to the dealer. I think most of us are in agreement that the knife is not up to QC standards for any knife company.

I would be more interested to see a follow up to this story about what you got as a replacement, and how the customer service from your knife dealer was.

Glenn
 
Well, AG is great but no thanks on a replacement, once bitten twice shy.
I must say, the more I think of it, I will stick to my first post very strongly.
As in all things in this world, if you cant keep up, compete or supply a product that can keep its consumer base you WILL fail/close.
Did CSC have products flying off the shelves? were they backlogged with orders? Or did they loose valuable employees that had the skill to produce a quality product?
No one in this discussion has that information.
The car company analogy makes me laugh, all of our automotive industry almost failed when the Japanese cars came rolling in, the big US car companies had to change drastically to stay afloat.
Our American companies are failing left and right because of imports made cheaply and sometimes of a better quality, NO American likes it or wants this but its happening and you need to face it, if you accept poor quality because of your feelings, you will continue to get a poor product.
I love old knives, especially slipjoints made in America but if any company lets a product out the door that looks like the one pictured above and you accept it, your wearing blinders and you argument is ridiculous...
Ship the best product you can possibly produce or face extinction.
 
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lentuk said:
Not my intent at all, just my observations of a really poor example of a hundred dollar knife.
And because of posts saying GEC has problems also, (I currently own 15 examples) they are all extremely well made with no issues at all.
I guess GEC has spoiled me.
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I've sent a couple of GECs back for issues. They did have great customer service. My question is, what are you going to do when you get a bad GEC?
 
Send it back, but thankfully that hasn't happened.
I would love to own an excellent example of a CSC boys knife, does anyone have one?

And it is not my intent to 'Crap on" or disrespect the company in any manner as some of you seem to keep drumming, its just my experience with two of their knives and my statement is such.
If you make a bad product you should close...
 
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lentuk said:
Well, AG is great but no thanks on a replacement, once bitten twice shy.
I must say, the more I think of it, I will stick to my first post very strongly.
As in all things in this world, if you cant keep up, compete or supply a product that can keep its consumer base you WILL fail/close.
Did CSC have products flying off the shelves? were they backlogged with orders? Or did they loose valuable employees that had the skill to produce a quality product?
No one in this discussion has that information.
The car company analogy makes me laugh, all of our automotive industry almost failed when the Japanese cars came rolling in, the big US car companies had to change drastically to stay afloat.
Our American companies are failing left and right because of imports made cheaply and sometimes of a better quality, NO American likes it or wants this but its happening and you need to face it, if you accept poor quality because of your feelings, you will continue to get a poor product.
I love old knives, especially slipjoints made in America but if any company lets a product out the door that looks like the one pictured above and you accept it, your wearing blinders and you argument is ridiculous...
Ship the best product you can possibly produce or face extinction.
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The US auto industry didn't almost fail because of the entry of Japanese cars into the US. When they first came to the US, they were cheaply made cars. It took years for them to improve quality to where people in the US would buy them. When they did, they took market share, but the big 3 weren't going to fail because of it.... they did have to adapt and make room for them.

Anyways, back to the knives.... The truth is, traditional knives aren't all that popular and since CSC makes knives in the $100 range, it's very hard for them to compete on the business model they used. We have been losing cutlery companies for years to cheap tactical knives. CSC made some very good knives for a long time. Enough people here realize they make a great knife and contracted them to make last years Traditional Forum Knife. That says a lot. If they made bad knives, you wouldn't have had such here. You got one bad one and used it to pass judgment on a company. That's your choice, but I feel that it is incorrect.
 
I currently own 10 GEC and 5 CSC (including a copper Kabar barlow). Across the board the CSC's are superior in fit and finish. Has anyone brought this to AG's attention? Might be worth doing some inspecting of remaining knives. My suspicion is that someone at CSC let a batch of seconds go at full pop knowing they were going under.
 
I was quite interested in this post as I've had just a few CSC's and they were perfect. This was the latest one and it felt near midtech custom. It was very easy to open and I would think that some of the folks who have arthritic hands would really appreciate their action.

I traded it not realizing that CSC was going to go out of business. But am trying to pick one up as a little treat since this was the cheapest version of the pinch lockbacks (presumably the least liked covers I don't know) but I always have a liking for the odd ducks. Fit and finish were superb and they evolved this model. The original run didn't have a spacer between the bone linen micarta and bolster so there was some bleeding, not on this one though which was produced later.

 
I own this exact same knife (#36) from AGR and mine is perfect. If I had received your knife instead, I would have certainly sent it back. I would not, however, have started a thread bashing a good company that is (unfortunately) no longer in business....based on ONE knife. I've had brand new $400 Chris Reeve knives show up with serious issues that should have been caught before leaving the factory. ANY company can make ONE bad knife. This thread is absurd.
 
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I'm guessing that the knife in question that slipped QC, will be taken care of.
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How (short of vendor refund) will it be taken care of if the company has folded?

I have but one CSC. The 2015 forum knife. I'm not happy with it but little can be done excepting for me to decide to keep it or off load it.
 
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