Carbon Fiber Stretch II

Sal Glesser said:
Now we "hide 'n watch" for reactions to the design. I'd like to learn if an FRN version made like the E4/D4 would have demand and if ZDP should be the steel to use.

sal
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That'd be great. I'd rather no liners and rivets but I think that one in the E4 mode would be terrific also. How bout a linerless one in H1 too? Salt Stretch?
 
I am not big fan of carbon fiber (i have only BG42Milly and Caly3), but this one looks much better than others. Still, I like Lignum Vitae much more.
Paul, thank you for pictures, very nice.
 
Looks like a fantastic knife. Were it not so expensive, and if the Manixes had not been discontinued this year, and a particular Mini-Manix being found for a good price, I might have saved up for one of these. Maybe next year.

An FRN/VG10 version would be very interesting indeed. It would be much more affordable, and I think it would make a fantastic hunting knife. Maybe with a regular stainless steel handle, as well.
 
Which on line retailers actually have these in stock? NGK is on backorder:(
Dave.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Now we "hide 'n watch" for reactions to the design. I'd like to learn if an FRN version made like the E4/D4 would have demand and if ZDP should be the steel to use.

sal
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My only question Sal is why not keep the full liners and the metal backstrap of the CF version, and just change the scales to FRN and the blade to VG-10? Seems there would be a savings on tooling another set of liners. It would also keep parts inventory down, the reason you cited for using the D4 clip on this one. Plus, the most common "complaint" folks seem to have with the E4 & D4 is the FRN backstrap, so why not avoid that. Not to mention that full liners and a decent backstrap make easier to customize, opening up yet another niche market. ;) :D

Paul
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DavidZ said:
Which on line retailers actually have these in stock? NGK is on backorder:(
Dave.
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Try crocblades. I made a pre-order with them 2 weeks ago, and was expecting to get it by 2/2008, but last night i just received an email from them that my order has shipped.
 
The Deacon said:
My only question Sal is why not keep the full liners and the metal backstrap of the CF version, and just change the scales to FRN and the blade to VG-10? Seems there would be a savings on tooling another set of liners. It would also keep parts inventory down, the reason you cited for using the D4 clip on this one. Plus, the most common "complaint" folks seem to have with the E4 & D4 is the FRN backstrap, so why not avoid that. Not to mention that full liners and a decent backstrap make easier to customize, opening up yet another niche market. ;) :D

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Hi Paul,

I agree. That's how we would do it. Just replace the scales with FRN & use VG-10. Probably go to the smaller jimping on the spine as well.

sal
 
Is the Stretch II is considered a variation or a new model? I'm guessing from Paul's knife with the "V" that it's a variation and that the main model collectors won't get a numbered version of this model?

Razz
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Sal Glesser said:
Hi Paul,

I agree. That's how we would do it. Just replace the scales with FRN & use VG-10. Probably go to the smaller jimping on the spine as well.

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Sounds great! Can I convince you to ditch the Boye dent too?
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:D Had to ask. :o

Razzierb said:
Is the Stretch II is considered a variation or a new model? I'm guessing from Paul's knife with the "V" that it's a variation and that the main model collectors won't get a numbered version of this model?

Razz
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Razz, the model number is C90, to be exact it's C90CFPE and, as you see from mine, they're numbered with the "V" suffix, so I'd be very surprised if your guess is wrong.

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The Deacon said:
Can I convince you to ditch the Boye dent too?
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Had to ask. :o

We'd have to re-tool for the liner, scale to a smaller cavity and the lock. While I appreciate your exquisite taste, I would have to have more complaints on the current set-up.

Eg: enough of our customers have indicated that they liked the small "V" shaped jimping over the others we've used, so we're slowly converting.

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Sal Glesser said:
Hi Paul,

I agree. That's how we would do it. Just replace the scales with FRN & use VG-10. Probably go to the smaller jimping on the spine as well.

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Thanks Sal

That means I can buy a second one in FRN and get wood scales for it:D

Pauls pics of his in lignum vitae has been haunting me...

Would be kind of a waste removing the nice expensive CF;).

VG-10 is a very nice steel so no complaints there :thumbup:

Sverre
 
Hi Sverre,

Paul has many models that haunt me. He's taken variety to a new level.

sal
 
Sal, Though I like VG10, I'd very much like a FRN stretch 2 in ZDP. I called theSFO the first day they were posted on the forum and found I just couldn't afford it then. I'm saving and will get it eventually, but I still think the ZDP Stretch should be available in a FRN model. It would be very appealing and there would be nothing like it anywhere in it's price range. VG10, while one of the best all time cutlery steels is now almost oversaturating the market ( most recently 2 from Kershaw and SOG released 2 and announced conversion of at least 2 more). The ZDP enduras, while a great knife ( and currently in my RFP), is just not as elegant nor as PC as the stretch 2. It should also give people the knife that they are looking for when they send their endura to Tom Krien to be reground. My opinion anyway. I'd have to buy at least 2 ZDP stretch 2's if they were affordable ( at my income level). Joe
 
Sal, like I said, I had to try. :D Didn't expect to win on that point, and your arguments in favor of retaining it do make sense to me.

Joe, from what I've seen, most dealer are selling the CF/ZDP Caly 3 for about 1.5 time what they charge for the G-10/VG-10 version. The same dealers are selling the FRN/ZDP Endura for about 1.5 times what they sell the FRN/VG-10 version. Might lead one to think that the steel is adding more to the price tag than the CF, at least on the Seki built knives.
 
Hi Paul,

We do try to listen. The early Native was the first model that encountered a posible lock problem with the lock bar and the large well. Michael Janich (very skilled and respected by me) demonstrated to me how the Native could be accientally unlocked in certain positions. David Boye had been using his dent to avoid the problem on his folders. Since safety is prime, we adopted the feature.

In working with the Chinook and Manix, we learned how to avoid the problem with a smaller lock well, but some complain that it is harder to unlock. The new Native4 design uses a smaller lock well and no detent, so I guess you could say we're leaning in that direction. I wouldn't be opposed to the adjustment when making an FRN Stretch2. The Stretch2 lock performs so well as is that it will be a slow transition if done.

Hey Joe, I too like ZDP and we are noticing some of the market following our VG-10 lead. Consistently getting as much ZDP as we want is still difficult. Processing ZDP is considerably more expensive as well. The timing and cost differences still offer challenges.

I think we offer more ZDP, as a regular offering, than most Knife companies. I see some offering specialty steels in small amounts, which is good in that it services their exotic customer, but it's not their "main" steel.

Our "Mule Team" project will permit us, and you, to test some less used steels to determine their "powers". It took us a while to get Takefu to make enough VG-10 that we could depend on it for our "main" steel. Most companies will use a less expensive steel as their "main" steel and offer smaller amounts of exotics.

It's really a drag to learn that your supplier is out of steel when you need it.

sal
 
Sal, thanks for taking the time for the explanation. That makes it more imperative that I get a CF stretch 2 . I have waited for that one since it was announced. Like deacon I am a stretch fan already.

Deacon, I understand and agree with your explanation. I'm just about opposite from you insomuch as I don't mind a bit paying extra for performance steels but not looks or color grips. Ergonomics is a much bigger factor to me, followed by steel selection and grind. Looks come dead last. I could live with black FRN on all my knives. Joe
 
Sal Glesser said:
Eg: enough of our customers have indicated that they liked the small "V" shaped jimping over the others we've used, so we're slowly converting.

sal
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I despise the V-shaped jimping! I got a full-sized Manix with that jimping and got rid of it just because of the the jimping. I was considering the Stretch, as well, until I saw that it also had that jimping.

I know that you have to accomodate the majority with your designs, but please don't convert all of your knives (esp. anything in the Calypso line).
 
jag-engr said:
I despise the V-shaped jimping! I got a full-sized Manix with that jimping and got rid of it just because of the the jimping. I was considering the Stretch, as well, until I saw that it also had that jimping.

I know that you have to accomodate the majority with your designs, but please don't convert all of your knives (esp. anything in the Calypso line).
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Am I missing something? :confused: Only place the Stretch or the new Stretch II have the small V shaped jimping is on the choil. Both have the step style jimping on the ramp. Don't recall ever seeing a Spyderco with any other style of jimping on choils, it's been either small V or nothing. For that matter, the only Manixes I've seen also have the "step" style jimping on the ramp.

As for the Calypso line, think they've reached the end of it unless you're including the Caly 3, but it uses the small V jimping top and bottom. :confused:
 
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