Carry Laws in NYC

Good to know CDK. I am about to head to NYC in a few months for a wedding. I came across this thread and now I don't want to go there, lol. I wish I could carry my gun and a few knives. I think I'll leave everything at home, or at least keep the knives in the car....or in my pocket not clipped. I think its a good time to renew my NRA and sign up for knife rights!
 
I made the mistake of smoking a ciggarette on an above ground outdoor train platform in brooklyn, instead of getting a summons i was frisked and the officers found my linerlock folder. So, i went through the entire bookings process for two days in brooklyn for carrying a folder that had an under three inch blade, but was declared an illegal gravity knife, I even tightened the bolts so that it required alot of force to push open with the thumb stud and not flipped open. I kept telling one of the officers that it was not a gravity knife and needed to be pushed to open it and he could not flick it, so he ended up pushing the blade out a little bit with his thumb and THEN flicking it, and said "See!, that's a gravity knife". Spent two days in brooklyn central bookings crammed into the bullpen with savages, had two fights happen in the same cell because of people not having enough space to sleep, it was a really crappy experience. Sometimes officers need to fill their quotas i guess and will arrest for anything. Anyway i think the safest blade to carry in NYC for EDC is a fixed blade under 3.5 inches anything more is pushing it, personally i think a fixed blade under 3 inches is safer, something like a Folts Minimalist the wharncliffe might be the best bet since if they see the swedge on the bowie they might get away with calling it a dagger or dirk. Also i've been checking out the Colt Steel Tuff Lite it looks like it's not possible to flick that one open even if the screws were loose. Although i completely endorse the stop and frisk especially in neighborhoods with high crime and shootings, i really think the gravity knife charges are out of hand, especially since this is what a gravity knife really is ->
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Cronx did this just happen? Did you go to court yet? The definition of a gravity knife is different as defined by NYS law. What you posted is a gravity knife as knife collectors know it, but the NYPD sees things differently and things are not getting better. If you have not gone to court yet then reach out to Knife Rights on this. The fact the officer had to partly open it makes it not a gravity knife even by NYC's strict enforcement, but this would have to be proven now in court to be the true working of the knife. There is a special hearing before trial that can be requested to determine if the charge is valid due to the examination of the evidence. Seek legal advise.
 
Cronx210, WRT your NYC Gravity Knife arrest, please contact me at your earliest opportunity:

dritter(at sign)kniferights.org
 
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Cronx did this just happen? Did you go to court yet? The definition of a gravity knife is different as defined by NYS law. What you posted is a gravity knife as knife collectors know it, but the NYPD sees things differently and things are not getting better. If you have not gone to court yet then reach out to Knife Rights on this. The fact the officer had to partly open it makes it not a gravity knife even by NYC's strict enforcement, but this would have to be proven now in court to be the true working of the knife. There is a special hearing before trial that can be requested to determine if the charge is valid due to the examination of the evidence. Seek legal advise.
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If the arresting officer has the knife in his or her custody, things can happen at the station or on the way to the station before the knife ends up in the evidence locker. The officer could loosen up the bolt, lubricate the bolt with BreakFree (or other type of super-lube), etc., anything to get that blade to open expeditiously in front of the judge and jury in court. Your previous posts indicated that NYPD officers' performance appraisals are largely predicated on their batting average of arrests/convictions. If true, they have serious incentives to tamper with evidence in order to justify these arrests and stack the deck against defendants in order to increase the percentage of convictions. Hopefully, Cronx has an eyewitness to the encounter and arrest who can testify that the officer had to thumb the blade partially open. Otherwise, it is just Cronx's word against the word (written report) of the arresting officer.
 
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Tom1960 are you saying an officer would commit the felony of evidence tampering and falsify business records for a misd arrests? Could such a thing happen? I will let you all decide.....

There is a PUBLIC web site in which members of the NYPD post their "rants" about jobs conditions and the like. I am not sure what the site requirements are to verify these are all officers, but from the terms used and names of superior officers, these guys are in the know. In this thread they are discussing how some officers wrongfully list knife arrests as higher level gun arrest to make them selves look better. Look closely at post number 10 and you will see a reference made to under covers officers ( boro crime and street crime are plain cloths officers) carrying a screw driver and a can of WD 40 to make every knife a gravity knife. Now understand the "officer" who posted this seems to think this is accepatble behavior that he can post on a PUBLIC forum....

http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/41455/WHATS-BORO-CRIME-GUYS-PUTTING-
 
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tom19176 said:
Tom1960 are you saying an officer would commit the felony of evidence tampering and falsify business records for a misd arrests? Could such a thing happen? I will let you all decide.....

There is a PUBLIC web site in which members of the NYPD post their "rants" about jobs conditions and the like. I am not sure what the site requirements are to verify these are all officers, but from the terms used and names of superior officers, these guys are in the know. In this thread they are discussing how some officers wrongfully list knife arrests as higher level gun arrest to make them selves look better. Look closely at post number 10 and you will see a reference made to under covers officers ( boro crime and street crime are plain cloths officers) carrying a screw driver and a can of WD 40 to make every knife a gravity knife. Now understand the "officer" who posted this seems to think this is accepatble behavior that he can post on a PUBLIC forum....

http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/41455/WHATS-BORO-CRIME-GUYS-PUTTING-
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Google-search the recent Massachusetts state drug lab scandal and then get back to me about evidence tampering. Many innocent people went to jail and are now appealing their convictions. Two people so far have been charged and the investigation is continuing at this time. Martha Coakley, our Attorney General, is outraged. Do I trust evidence in the hands of police and prosecutors? Fat chance! I just hope that Cronx has an eyewitness who can testify on his behalf that the knife was thumbed open by the arresting officer. I am not saying that all officers are crooked, but in this case, it appears that Cronx was the victim of a dickhead with a badge.
 
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kid9p, can't say I agree that many are crooked ( well not in the last 15 years at least), but I do strongly believe from both direct and indirect obersvations, that many officers are willing to "bend" the rules to either meet requirements or make those good numbers needed to move into a specialized unit. The entire on line booking process was changed years ago to help slow down the "collars fo dollars" attitude, although this still occurs to some degree. I find it troubling that in the link above officers seem to think they can make a joking remark about an under cover unit carrying WD 40 and a Screw driver so they can make any knife into a gravity knife. How common is this practice that it is mentioned without shame ( hey that is indicating they are commiting three crimes themselves inorder to make the arrest), and posting it on a trackable public forum shows it must be somewhat common place. The NYPD Internal Affairs does monitor that site and has gone after people for things on it, but yet there is free discussion of evidence tampering, falsifying business records, and perjury in the comment. Perhaps you don't like the many in which the poster stated his opinion, but he is from an adjoining state and may have a opinion based on his experience. Now if you want to read some really ignorant stuff, go back to the Rant link and read how many officers feel about their jobs and the public. To me, sworn members of the largest police force in the world who average a pay in excess of $100,000 a year and yet write the immoral and anti public things they do on that PUBLIC site are the ignorant ones ....
 
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