Case quality control?

I think the Case quality control people should take a Victorinox field trip..

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Wurrwulf said:
GEC did the same with the Violet 72s and the recent Smooth Brown Camel Bone knives. They don't seem to be terribly consistent with dyed smooth bone.
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Shawn: I'll bet it has to do with the density of the given piece of bone and the way it takes dye. I just can't imagine they can't control for these extreme variations?

Am I wrong or does the bone get dyed before it goes on the knife.
 
Old Engineer said:
I don't know enough about the materials or the manufacturing processes to explain what really caused the big Color Variation . I can only guess that there is a large variation in the density of the Bone . With the main blade showing that it was made in 2015 , does that indicate that they took a complete knife of another color ( red ) and put it in the Walnut dye ????
With the very real probability of color variation , Case should know their customers well enough to know that we are not real happy with much variation . When a large variation occurs , and it does , the company should have an Upper and Lower Limit color chart for someone to make the Accept or Reject decision .
The Red Shades that are so obvious in this picture is also noticeable in all 7 of the others , just not to this extent .
Had I been handling these at a dealership , I would have looked for a different one , but since I have it now , I will keep it and enjoy the well made knife and the 2015 Blade in a 2016 Knife .

Harry
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Some good questions here Harry and I don't have the answers. But, to your question about taking a complete 2015 knife and putting it in the walnut dye? Does the Rogers jigging tell you that it's a newer piece of bone? IOW Not re-dyed?
 
Wowbagger said:
To be fair Boker has the same problem
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Yep...one of my first online purchases was a Boker medium stockman that was "Green Jigged Bone". Color online was gorgeous. When I first received it, I thought maybe they sent me the wrong knife. The bone is almost black, even in bright sunlight. You have to hit it hard with a very bright LED light to see the green show up.

I was disappointed at first, but it is a great knife and everything else about it I liked, so I kept it. I soon realized that the pics online of stag and bone are quite different from what you might receive and that in itself was an education. If buying Case dyed bone, I try to purchase in person and will tell the salesperson up front that I'm picky and I want to look through several models...so far they have all been very open to this.

But, I do my part and try to time my visit when they are not likely to be busy. If the salesperson misses a $600 handgun sale because I'm poring over a $50 knife, he's not liable to be as accommodating the next time I'm in the store.
 
could inconsistent dye saturation due to oils in the bone cause the bone to not take color as well? or as deep? I was told that the bone imported from Brazil was soaked in oil, thus clogging the pores. making it harder to dye. the chunk of bone from Brazil was way heavier than the bone from North America. more yellow in color and had an oily feel. GEC uses cattle bone from the U.S. and they do have more consistent coloring. IMO. Case claims FDA regulations force them to change dye recipes from time to time due to dangerous chemicals. I collect and use both brands. I learned the above by being a life member of the CCC and a trip to GEC. My quess is that foreign bone is way cheaper.
 
Thank you for the interesting information on sources of bone used for knife scales, mightyzaa. :thumbup:
 
mightyzaa said:
could inconsistent dye saturation due to oils in the bone cause the bone to not take color as well? or as deep? I was told that the bone imported from Brazil was soaked in oil, thus clogging the pores. making it harder to dye. the chunk of bone from Brazil was way heavier than the bone from North America. more yellow in color and had an oily feel. GEC uses cattle bone from the U.S. and they do have more consistent coloring. IMO. Case claims FDA regulations force them to change dye recipes from time to time due to dangerous chemicals. I collect and use both brands. I learned the above by being a life member of the CCC and a trip to GEC. My quess is that foreign bone is way cheaper.
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Very interesting mightyzaa. This could explain a lot. Thanks for the info.
 
AShearer said:
Some good questions here Harry and I don't have the answers. But, to your question about taking a complete 2015 knife and putting it in the walnut dye? Does the Rogers jigging tell you that it's a newer piece of bone? IOW Not re-dyed?
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Case did do some Rogers Jigged Bone in 2015 and maybe even other years too . I really do not believe that they redyed this knife . I do believe that they had some extra blades made that were not used until 2016 .

Harry
 
Old Engineer said:
Case did do some Rogers Jigged Bone in 2015 and maybe even other years too . I really do not believe that they redyed this knife . I do believe that they had some extra blades made that were not used until 2016 .

Harry
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I wasn't sure about the rogers jigging showing up earlier, but it just did not make sense to me that they would re-dye a knife. Too much trouble. I believe you are correct. They had left over blade blanks.
 
Nothing at all wrong with the QC on this one: Small Texas Jack, stainless, Olive Jigged Bone. This one is far better made than my cv Amber Bone version in that it has no gaps, the blades open out straight against the backspring with no droop or 'cant' which the cv one shows. No blade play either, and centre blades. The jigging is deep cut and tough, which gives the promise of a nice smooth pocket worn in due course.

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jakeman said:
I always thought if you bought a case knife made in the USA it was a quality Knife! The first Case I bought was a mini copper lock and the fit and finish was just ok. Today I received my second, a swayback gent and it has significant blade play and will be going back. I know it was only $43.00 but that is unacceptable. This may be my last Case. Anyone else noticing this?

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It is really sad but true.

Good thing about case, they offer free repair and knife tune ups.

I had few lemons even the case high end knives.

I guess G e C has set the standards in todays cutlery.
I love wr case knives, when they get it right they are gems and hard to beat.



Hopefully case is coming back and improving their products

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I must be the luckiest guy around because of the dozen or so Case knives I own every one is the equal of any production traditional knife made. The only difference is the covers are of a lower cost.
 
toppygray82 said:
It is really sad but true.

Good thing about case, they offer free repair and knife tune ups.

I had some lemons ,even the case high end knives.

I guess G e C has set the standards in todays cutlery.


I love wr case knives, when they get it right they are gems and hard to beat.



Hopefully case is coming back and improving their products.



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I own three case knives; none arrived in perfect condition, but for the prices I paid, I can't really complain. My medium stockman has a visible scratch on the sheepsfoot where the spey blade rubs against it. My sodbuster jr. has uneven edges/finishing on the delrin, but for $23 bucks or whatever, it's still an awesome knife. I recently bought a three blade sowbelly, and there was some residue, probably excess glue, stuck to the shield. The glue came off, but it left a mark. I've had no issues with blade play or anything like that, just minor cosmetic stuff. I love all of those knives and will continue to buy Case products. I will probably try to buy from brick and mortar stores in order to handle and inspect the knives myself in the future, however.
 
toppygray82 said:
It is really sad but true.

Good thing about case, they offer free repair and knife tune ups.

I had few lemons even the case high end knives.

I guess G e C has set the standards in todays cutlery.
I love wr case knives, when they get it right they are gems and hard to beat.



Hopefully case is coming back and improving their products

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I've sent plenty of GECs back..... One is there now. Of course, they cost more and more reason to send it back.

GEC does generally make a nicer knife, but Case just has the patterns right.
 
Woodrow F Call said:
I've sent plenty of GECs back..... One is there now. Of course, they cost more and more reason to send it back.

GEC does generally make a nicer knife, but Case just has the patterns right.
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You have good and bad ones.

But i have had more problems with case lately.

I am not demanding at all.

Yes i had some bad GEC getting some knives that were not finished right is bound to happen specially mass produce knives.

I buy many knives and collect many different patterns , sometimes i end up trading or selling knives at a loss because of diff issues; blade rubbing against liners/ blades , slow action, poor fit and finish, mismatched scales etc.

But over all gec has better fit and finish.

I love case patterns and the steel they use on some of their high end knives.


Seems to me since case put out more products they will also release more bad knives.

Quality control may also release knives that are ok and the receiver may or may not like them..

I love both companies.

And collect both

I know case is working on improving their products and it has .

I have seen newer case knives with better fit and finish .



Cant beat a good quality case knife.


If they would offer a single blade trapper from their standard 4 1 /8 trapper i would buy them all.



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I wish case would pin their shield.


I had shields fell off from my case knives users.


I gave my uncle a beautiful large copperlock with killer stag and the shield just fell off as he was inspecting the knife.

I felt so embarrassed, he fixed the problem with super glue.




I have boker knives and case knives with missing shields.




I would buy more case knives if they would pin their shields.




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