Case Quality Issues

I received my first Case knife today, and boy am I ever disappointed. I ordered the Chestnut Mini Trapper and the grind on the blades is horrible, they are extremely rough.

- David

you didnt happen to take picts of it did ya? would love to see it.
personally ive never had a Case That i felt had a big enough issue to send back, had some with slightly uneven grinds on the edge or a tiny gap in the liners. Out of all the knives ive got i only inspected 2 myself the rest were gifts from a non knife nut.
I hate to hear that youve had this happen. nothing worse man. You have every right to be irritated.
regards
gene
 
Post-Script: I should add that I spent some time last night working on the rough grind and uneven bevels on my new Case. OK, aside from the issue whether should have had to that, consider the folks who are not members of this forum who do not have the means nor the inclination to work on blades?

Gene - sorry, I meant to but once I decided it wasn't worth sending back I was in a sharpening mode. :rolleyes:
 
"Robin, Why do they make you pay the postage?"

I've sent one knife back to Case and I only paid postage to Case, they paid postage back to me. They sent me a nice post card indicating they received the knife and it would be two weeks. The next day I received the knife back with an excellent (i.e. function and not noticable) repair.
 
"Robin, Why do they make you pay the postage?"

I've sent one knife back to Case and I only paid postage to Case, they paid postage back to me. They sent me a nice post card indicating they received the knife and it would be two weeks. The next day I received the knife back with an excellent (i.e. function and not noticable) repair.

Right. But I agree with David this is phoney baloney to pay to get their mistake rectified.
A little example of good service that still happens today::)
A family member received a Hamilton watch as a gift (no proof of purchase). After several years the watch developed problems:
1. The crystal broke. He sent the watch back for repair. Amazingly, they did not repair it, they replaced it free of charge.
2. Again, the crystal broke. Returned the watch. Replaced free of charge.
3. Again, the crystal broke. "Sir, this watch must be defective. Here is $500 to spend on any Hamilton watch you choose."

Maybe many business can't do that, but paying shipping and wasting time to get what should be yours NEW! in the first place, bad precedent. I would be embarassed if I sold these knives, and that were my industry. Maybe they figure a good number of people will just accept or give up on the knife, and with those who want 'repairs', heck, if the sellers don't have to pay the postage, that's not so bad....
 
I was trying to find out if the knife got back to Case, or was lost in the mail. Here is an update on the status of the warranty repair I received today:

<<Dear Case Customer,
Our factory was shut down for 10 days over the holidays and we returned to work on 1/3/11. We are currently looking at a backlog of mail from 12/20/10 with only one person to process the incoming mail. Therefore, we expect this backlog to remain for several weeks since we continue to receive daily mail. Once your package has been processed into our system, a postcard will be sent to you advising receipt. From that point, our turnaround time will be approximately 8-9 weeks. We apologize for this delay. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to call our toll free number 800-523-6350.
Thank you for your patience!
Case Repair Center>>

For forty bucks I think I'm just going to try my luck again with ordering a new knife.

ETA: I just went with a 1/500 delrin Keltic pattern. It looks sweet. If I ever get the key lime green bone one back I will just have another toothpick with another nice pattern.
Also I did order yesterday an extra large Texas toothpick in green gator back (5.25" closed - another awesome looking knife).
The yellow trapper that I received as a replacement to the scuffed up one is fine. It had a slight rolled edge (burr) that came off instantly on a kitchen steel. Nice edges. Beautiful mirror polish on that "surgical steel." I can't stop playing with it. I gave the yellow small toothpick to my wife as a stocking stuffer. Looks like I'm going to have a good little Case collection going...

pete
 
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I wish I had the luxury of closing up shop for 10 days over the Holidays.
Originally, I only wanted to know if they had received it.
Now I just have a comical scene in my mind of what their poor mailroom must look like...

pete
 
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I wish I had the luxury of closing up shop for 10 days over the Holidays.
Originally, I only wanted to know if they had received it.
Now I just have a comical scene in my mind of what their poor mailroom must look like...

pete

Did you try to get your money back? As far as I know, if you used a credit card you can retroactively stop a payment if you explain your grievance.

You are making me remember a time when someone ordered a knife for me online. The dealer sent it to the wrong address: wrong State, wrong zip code. They were loathe to answer email, then blamed us for the problem, nonsensical. Their concession was that IF we did not get the knife after 4 weeks, they would do something about it. How the heck can you get a knife that is labeled to the wrong address? :confused:
Finally we stopped the payment on the credit card and they were hoppin' mad.
 
I was trying to find out if the knife got back to Case, or was lost in the mail. Here is an update on the status of the warranty repair I received today:

<<Dear Case Customer,
Our factory was shut down for 10 days over the holidays and we returned to work on 1/3/11. We are currently looking at a backlog of mail from 12/20/10 with only one person to process the incoming mail. Therefore, we expect this backlog to remain for several weeks since we continue to receive daily mail. Once your package has been processed into our system, a postcard will be sent to you advising receipt. From that point, our turnaround time will be approximately 8-9 weeks. We apologize for this delay. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to call our toll free number 800-523-6350.
Thank you for your patience!
Case Repair Center>>

Wow.... that probably just finished CASE off for me. I have posted here before that CASE was the only knife for me for years. I always thought of BUCK, Shrade, etc., as second line knives for one reason or another, and never looked anywhere else through the 70s and 80s. ONLY CASE in my pocket.

Those knives have lasted well and have worn so well they were never replaced. I still have them and use them. They are the epitome of everything I wanted in a knife. While not a fanboy, I always bought with total confidence.

I have felt for years that CASE was slipping, and expressed that in mild terms here, stronger terms on other sites where the CASE fans aren't so sensitive. CASE is no different than any other company trying to hold onto their market using mass market tactics. They can only do so much now with quality control and I am sure they have a good idea how many knives go out that shouldn't, and rely on an actuarial table to predict how many of those will come back to them.

It is obvious now how little regard they have for their customers. Their email response was proof. Read it carefully; you don't know how many items that the ONE person will have to process, or if that one person was caught up before they took off for the holidays.

We are currently looking at a backlog of mail from 12/20/10 with only one person to process the incoming mail. Therefore, we expect this backlog to remain for several weeks since we continue to receive daily mail.

At least they admit that they will have a backlog of mail that will take several weeks just to get your knife into the system. Ballsy, but honest. And they will keep you updated. Once it is finally "in the system" they will notify you by postcard.

Then.... wow.... From that point, our turnaround time will be approximately 8-9 weeks.

So for repair on a $65 item, it will take several weeks to get it into the system, and 2+ months to fix it. So if several means six weeks, and you add a minimum of 8 more, you could easily be waiting 4 months :eek: (plus shipping :eek:) for repair of a brand new item. Just to have them do their quality control. Nothing extra, nothing custom, no favors asked to improve the knife, nothing. Just to ensure that you got what you thought you paid for in the first place.

I appreciate the fact ManiacalPete, that you withstood the incredulous disbelief of the CASE fanboys and followed up here to let us all know exactly what is going on with your repairs. It is a keen insight into the actually inner workings of CASE as opposed to "well I've never had a problem so I don't think there is one" responses.

Before this thread, I have posted here that I wouldn't have any problem buying a CASE knife as long as I could hold the knife in my hand and inspect it before purchase. Now I am thinking, "what will I do if a scale cracks or works loose, a shield falls off, something gives and I have a huge blade wobble, etc. in the first 30 days of ownership?" Am I willing to wait 4 months (although I must say it was honestly explained upfront in a courteous way) to get the knife back for a simply quality control issue?

Worse, imagine what CASE would do if YOU screwed up the knife. Yikes!! :eek:

I am not a fanboy of any knife. I know all manufacturers make mistakes. I am concerned with how they fix them. While for a fanboy this long wait no doubt makes the anticipation much more exciting and the actual receipt of the repaired knife much sweeter. For me it is unacceptable.

I am not a collector, although I have about 75 pocket knives, mostly CASE. All of my knives are tools with only a couple of Benchmades being safe from the EDC lineup. As with any other tool, I expect the manufacturer to do their own QC.

I do not care that they make a million knives so some are "bound to get by". Think how many knives RR makes, and how many Sanrenmu makes for themselves but also for highly regarded USA based companies. Yet, they are literally 1/5 the price or less and they seem to turn out a more consistent, quality product. If I buy a product that costs 4 - 5 times as much as their competitors, I need to know that my money purchased value, not provenance.

I do not care that they are partly hand made (hand made didn't used to mean an excuse for poor quality). If some of the CASE knives I have seen at the last several gun shows are hand finished, they need to retrain their workers.

I do not care that they are struggling in a tough market. Their American competitors that are selling at the same price point or just a bit higher seem to be doing fine.

I do not care they only have one person to log in their warranty items. If they are weeks behind simply logging in all the returned items, that should indicate something to them.

I do not care that Zippo owns CASE, and that their business model has changed.

I do not care that they are "trying to get better". My hard earned dollars won't be going to help a company try to turn out a good product, hoping I will be lucky enough to get one of the good ones.

Although CASE was my favorite brand for about 25 years, I am not in love with the brand (or any other) and still expect that when I pick up a CASE knife, I want it to be a CASE knife. If that ship has sailed, so be it. I will, too.

I want what a I pay for with any product I buy; that's all. Nothing extra expected. I understand mistakes being made in manufacture, but taking about 4 months to fix a brand new product under warranty is unacceptable. I wouldn't put up with that on my drills, saws, grinders, and all the other tools I buy routinely as a contractor, so why would I with a simple pocket knife?

Stripping away all the romance of CASE (including my own personal baggage train of nostalgia) it is still just a tool. It isn't a privilege to own a CASE, it is their privilege to have you buy their product.

I am glad Zippo/CASE is doing well and their business model is working for them. I am sure much smarter hands are guiding that ship than mine, so I am thinking they know what they are doing. Sitting here typing this, I would be horrified to see the brand lost, or worse, made in China as Schrade, etc., are now being made. I hope things get sorted out. I would love to see CASE regain themselves and be regarded (without question from anyone) as one of best pocket knives made.

Once again MP, thanks for the follow up. I hope you keep us posted on the final results.

Robert
 
Actually Case is not "doing well." They laid off a large percentage of their workforce. Many businesses, like the company I work for, now close between Christmas and New Years due to financial difficulties not because it is a "luxury". If you don't have PTO, you get no paycheck.

Per Case "fanboys", I would say they are outnumbered by the "haters." The recent set of threads on this forum certainly prove that true.

Finally, the littany of "I do not care" certainly shows you do care...Why? Just don't buy Case and save money on blood pressure medicine :)
 
Wow.... that probably just finished CASE off for me. I have posted here before that CASE was the only knife for me for years. I always thought of BUCK, Shrade, etc., as second line knives for one reason or another, and never looked anywhere else through the 70s and 80s. ONLY CASE in my pocket.

Those knives have lasted well and have worn so well they were never replaced. I still have them and use them. They are the epitome of everything I wanted in a knife. While not a fanboy, I always bought with total confidence.

A forum member gave me a Case Sod Buster, a commorative edition knife, from the '70's. I couldn't believe how beautiful it was, compared to any knife. It made my Case knife look downright cheap and ugly. I figured that that was just because it was a special edition.

ManiacalPete,
Thank you for posting, I was looking at their desk knife, wanted a wharnie, and you have convinced me to pass. (It was no bargain either and sounds like if it becomes a liability it won't be worth my time. You must be a very patient guy! and I thought I was patient!;))
 
Finally, the littany of "I do not care" certainly shows you do care...Why? Just don't buy Case and save money on blood pressure medicine :)

No worries, Dr. Phil. I don't spend much, if any real time on things I can't control, fix, or affect. That doesn't just apply to pocket knives, which are about the very least of my worries these days. That post was probably inordinately long since we are rained in today here in S. Texas.

My post, although it may sound like directed against CASE, but you could easily replace CASE with any number of manufacturers of consumer goods. Take it in context of this thread on this forum.

My criteria is simple. Either manufacturers deliver the goods as promised, or they don't. My time is too valuable to do anyone else's job for them. Specifically regarding pocket knives, there are plenty of fine choices out there now, so there isn't really much of a reason to worry over any one manufacturer when selecting a blade.

I want to repeat, too that I would love to see CASE make a go of it, get to be the gold standard they once were, and to make a reliably fine quality product. I was as loyal as they come until a couple of their knives put me off them, and my buddies and me began to compare notes on the product. I don't know that there is any reason they can't turn it around over there, but again as I posted, much smarter guys than myself are helming Zippo/CASE. I am sure they have a plan.

To me, all this just makes all my old CASE knives that much more valuable to me.

Robert
 
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(hand made didn't used to mean an excuse for poor quality).

Wow, that is a powerful and powerfully sad statement. And too true.

I'm not a Case fan. I have a few. The only "new" one I have is a Crandall Cheetah Cub...nice, pinned shield...I guess not a 'case' per se. One of my favorite knives, but I did have to send it back to get the blade centered and all they did was bend it...and I DID pay shipping and insurance. I have a few older Case knives. I prefer old knives, and even then I prefer Camillus and Schrade. It's sad to watch people lose their supporters. I don't have a horse in this race, really, but I do agree...if I'm going to buy a new knife, the incentive to shell out extra for a case would have to be nostalgia, and I don't have any.
 
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All this talk of mail backlogs and weeks of waiting is alarming me badly. I've never been satisfied with my CASE/Bose Norfolk but now I can't see the point of sending it in if this is the state of affairs. It might never return......

The irony is, it's the only CASE knife I've been disatisfied with and it cost the most! The other 25 or so are well up to snuff.
 
could somebody clarify what constitutes "fanboy" especially amongst us guys in the traditional forums, usually the name calling doesnt get in here... guess thats changed.
regards
gene
 
It has a youthful connotation but think of it as the equally irrational and fanatical opposite of a hater. Some who is a fan regardless of the facts and other's opinions.
 
I am not a Case basher, and I feel compelled to clarify a couple of points.

The customer service I am receiving right now is deplorable.

However, they did reply promptly and were bluntly honest about the situation with me, and I do give them credit for that.

Did you try to get your money back? As far as I know, if you used a credit card you can retroactively stop a payment if you explain your grievance.

I purchased the knife from a "marketplace" with a large online retailer, who had a different, more cumbersome return policy than that of the retailer. Had I returned the defective knife to that "marketplace" retailer instead of returning it to the manufacturer, I probably would have already had a new knife. As it is the knife is already paid for.

Actually Case is not "doing well." They laid off a large percentage of their workforce. Many businesses, like the company I work for, now close between Christmas and New Years due to financial difficulties not because it is a "luxury". If you don't have PTO, you get no paycheck.

I never should have commented on their work schedule, that is their business. But, if the mailroom is backed up for several weeks, they should increase their staffing there (after all, there is plenty of stock on shelves for me to purchase a new Case knife if I want one). Surely they could afford to put a second person on processing returns until they get caught up, as opposed to telling me that they aren't going to be able to tell me if they even received my package for "several weeks," based on the fact that they only have one employee processing all of their returns. That's a poor excuse. There is no profit in dealing with customer returns, it can only cost money. But working to develop a reputation for good customer service is still a sound investment in a company's future.

I read here that pocket knife sales are suffering due to the increased security on airline travel. I can see how they might not be able to afford to staff their company as well as they might like in order to sufficiently conduct good business, and if this is actually the case, it cannot bode well for their future. This is truly lamentable.

ManiacalPete,
Thank you for posting, I was looking at their desk knife, wanted a wharnie, and you have convinced me to pass. (It was no bargain either and sounds like if it becomes a liability it won't be worth my time. You must be a very patient guy! and I thought I was patient!;))

I am waiting on two more Case knives. If they arrive defective I will promptly return them to their place of purchase for replacement. If they are not, I am confident that they will serve me for their useful life without ever needing service.

They are not exceedingly expensive items and I am willing to accept the risk of one day needing to replace one or two of them at my expense when they are worn out.

If you see a Case knife that tickles your fancy, I suggest you do the same.

Bill
 
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It has a youthful connotation but think of it as the equally irrational and fanatical opposite of a hater. Some who is a fan regardless of the facts and other's opinions.

thank you for the clinical definition:D I knew what it means just looking for clarification from the members using it in this thread, honestly ive never seen what i think constitutes Case "fanboy" from anybody in the traditionals forum, usually very fair, level headed... Now if "fanboy" means a member hasnt had a problem and voiced his satisfaction then yeah ive seen a couple of positive things said. Didnt think that made ya a fanboy, perhaps i was wrong
regards
gene
 
"Fanboy" is a pejorative term.
It really doesn't have a place in a civil discussion at the level where this particular subforum aspires to function.

Bill
 
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"Fanboy" is a pejorative term.

Bill

Perhaps. Certainly one man's opinion. But a quick internet search reveals the meaning to be more of one that is "an intense fan", a "devotee", an "aficionado", or an "individual intensely devoted individual to a brand, product, etc.". Unless taken to an unusual extreme, I don't know that being a fanboy is a bad thing.

Seems for some though, their mileage may indeed vary if they took that as a slap of some sort. Sometimes folks think that any remark they don't like concerning a possession of theirs, their favorite team, a truck brand, or any of the other things they follow is a personal affront. Certainly, if needed all of us here can conjure up a satisfactory insult without using cloying innuendo to convey it; I wouldn't read anything into a statement of mine that wasn't there.

On reflection, I certainly fit my personal definition of a CASE fanboy back in the late 60s through early 80s. I only bought a couple of other brands at that time (exactly, a Buck 119 around 1971, and a Boker stockman around 1973), and didn't look anywhere else, and didn't care. All other purchases were CASE. Loved my CASEs. Fanboyism? You bet. I won't apologize.

Had they held their old standard, I probably would be one today.

As I said earlier, YMMV.

Robert
 
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