CAUTION buying 1084 on eBay

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  1. JTknives

    JTknives Blade Heat Treating www.jarodtodd.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 11, 2006
    I just attempted to heat treat knives for a customer. Half would harden the other half would not. Thy where listed as 1084 but 2 clearly where not that. I contacted the customer and expressed my concern that he mixed in some a36 practice knives. He said no it should all be 1084. He said 2 of them where made from NJSB and the other 2 from an eBay seller named jimcurtjame. I spark tested the blades in question and without a doubt it was mild steel. I just looked this seller up and he has a history of selling mild as 1084. So steer clear not worth it, just get it from a reliable source. Here are the blades in question.

    2 on left are NJSB, 2 on right are from eBay.
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    NJSB steel
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    jimcurtjame Steel
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    Here are some of his reviews
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  2. DevinT

    DevinT

    Jan 29, 2010
    Wow, that’s crazy. Thanks for posting this.

    Hoss
     
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  3. Bigfattyt

    Bigfattyt Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 23, 2007
    Bummer. Sucks to put time and effort into steel to have it turn out not to be iron/mild steel.
     
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  4. Stang Bladeworks

    Stang Bladeworks

    661
    Feb 19, 2018
    Thanks for letting us know
     
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  5. Aidenag

    Aidenag

    291
    Apr 16, 2009
    Hopefully your customer learned his lesson about buying from a source who wss obviously known for selling fake products.... why people don't take the few extra seconds to look into sellers is beyond me.
     
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  6. mete

    mete

    Jun 10, 2003
    Some things might show up before any work is done !
    Who designed the blade ? holes in the tang are for improved weight and balance .A few large holes are better than many small holes . [If you passed your math coarse ]work it out ] Holes should be 1/8" at least from edges or other holes.
    Post HT photos show that two of them were not HT'd properly or had the wrong steel. The divots in the blade on the left is a big warning sign !
     
  7. JTknives

    JTknives Blade Heat Treating www.jarodtodd.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 11, 2006
    What are you talking about? I did not design or make these blades.
    These blades are from a customer of mine who needed them heat treated. All 4 blades had the same heat treat recipe which has been proven on tons of knives.
    2 of them came out perfect and the other 2 soft and crusted up. that's what lead to the research to see where the customer got the steel.
     
  8. Tom Lewis

    Tom Lewis

    Feb 24, 2000
    JT, thanks for letting us know. It pays to buy from a reputable dealer. If it's too good to be true, it's probably not very good.
     
  9. ashwinearl

    ashwinearl

    303
    Nov 9, 2006
    I fell into this trap for some of my first ones. I bought from the same ebay seller. Alpha Knife only these days, some USA Knifemaker.
     
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  10. JTknives

    JTknives Blade Heat Treating www.jarodtodd.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 11, 2006
    I sent him a very strongly worded message the other day. Basically laying out what’s going on and summing it up with a “I know a lot of people and will spread the word”. People underestimate how tight of a community we are. I have not gotten a response.
     
  11. jdm61

    jdm61 itinerant metal pounder

    Aug 12, 2005
    You really didn't need to say much more that "steel" and "eBay" ;)
     
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  12. Spalted

    Spalted My name is Britt Askew I like making knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 9, 2010
    JT your customer should file a paypal claim and give them a link to this thread. Steel not as described.
     
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  13. JTknives

    JTknives Blade Heat Treating www.jarodtodd.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 11, 2006
    I just heard from my customer and thy got a full refund.
     
  14. Pendexter

    Pendexter

    95
    Aug 20, 2018
    Thanks for the heads up. I saw this post yesterday and literally had my first steel order from that exact ebay seller sitting in my mailbox :/ This is my first attempt at knifemaking and there's no way I would have realized it was the wrong steel.

    I'd appreciate it if someone could help determine if this is 1084 or mild based on the photos below. I've read up on the spark test and don't have enough experience to know if it's mild or not. I was watching Walter Sorrells spark testing video, and the high carbon had way more of the bursts closer to the steel...

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  15. DevinT

    DevinT

    Jan 29, 2010
    From the looks of the sparks, it’s mild steel.

    Hoss
     
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  16. JTknives

    JTknives Blade Heat Treating www.jarodtodd.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 11, 2006
    I did a spark comparison test for my previous customer to show what a carbon steel spark should look like. My eyes tell me that you also got mild steel. But some times cameras don’t catch all the detail. With carbon steel you should have a lot more bursts and less lines or streaks. Watch this short video and you will clearly see what I’m talking about.

     
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  17. DevinT

    DevinT

    Jan 29, 2010
    Hardened and tempered steel throws more sparks than annealed steel. You can’t get too many sparklers from mild steel regardless.

    Hoss
     
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  18. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Just for reference, this is what AEBL looks like directly from @Alpha Knife Supply

    Look how clean the surface is

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  19. JTknives

    JTknives Blade Heat Treating www.jarodtodd.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 11, 2006
    My carbon steel spark test was from a non heat treated bar end.
     
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  20. Natlek

    Natlek

    Jun 9, 2015
    Why you don t cut small pieces from angle and HT ? That way you will 100 % know what you have ? Torch will be more then enough for that fast test , just heat them to bright red and drop them in water .If then they brake like glass you have steel , if not ..............
     
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