CBS Survivor!

The SEAL is 75 years old, if I remember right. That would mean that he was probably UDT/NCDU(they didn't always stay in the water) in WW2 and has experience in jungle warfare/survival, unless he was in the Eurpoean theater. He probably knows some basic survival skills. He might even have served in Vietnam, which would be even more jungle training & experience.


 
Stihl may be right about someone scoring, because their provided supplies includes condoms. Read that in "Entertainment Weekly".
 
I'm hoping they begin to kill and eat the camera crew, maybe the director or whoever thought this thing up.
 
Hi Kirk,

thanks for the offer. I don't need them ASAP or anything. Probably wouldn't use them as a training aid until next year. How long is the show? I assume it is one hour based on your response. With this in mind... I would like to get two episodes on one tape (to maintain some quality within the presentation)... thus 6 tapes would be needed.

Interested? Let me know if you can do it. I appreciate it if you can.... Once again... I can pay for the tapes and P & H.

Thanks,

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Greg,

I recorded the first episode..., I'm sure we could arrange to get it to you somehow. And I'll probably record the rest. I seldom watch a show when it's actually ON! <g>.., I wait 'til I have time and inclination.

Anyway.., it's only 12 episodes. Two six hour tapes, unless you want to watch each episode each week.., in which case, I guess you'd need 12 tapes <s>.



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Well, one of the things that comes up in here every so often is the possibility/probability of the show being cancelled. Put your minds to rest,ALL of the advertising has been paid already, so you'll all be able to enjoy the complete odessy of these people. Just wanted to aleviate all your worries.
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Your all welcome,
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Wow, the things that make me not regret having no TV.


It sounds like an interesting sociology experiment. I just wonder how long it will be before we don't mind having shows where people really die. We could recreate books like Lord of the Flies, or watch real people in a movie like Survive! (That was the one with the plane wrecked on the mountain, yes/no?)

I think it will happen. I just wonder when...


Stryver
 
The news media already shows people gettin shot by police and other civilians if they can get the footage. I am sure that it won't be long before some network offers people with terminal diseases enough money to support there families for a few years if only they'll volunteer to help recreated Columbine or Ruby Ridge with real live bodies.
Yes I am a little warped, but tell me I am wrong. Society is already to the point where tolerate realistic deaths in movies. A small subset of our society enjoys the video series "Faces of Death". I don't think it will be long at all before it become comercial.

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Hey guys..

Just watched the show for the second time,, but only picked up a few things...

1. Someone said the knife the girl was using to cut here her was Damascus.. It Definately Was Damascus....

2. I noticed when they were bringing the raft of fir onto shore,, someone was wearing which my Guess would be a Stainless Spyderco of some sort.. It was definately a Stainless folder whatever it was... A fairly large one by the looks of it...

Interested in seeing next weeks show..

ttyle Eric...

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Greg,

>>How long is the show? I assume it is one hour based on your response. With this in mind... I would like to get two episodes on one tape (to maintain some quality within the presentation)... thus 6 tapes would be needed.<<

Too late for the first episode..., but I can transfer it to another tape, as a "standard speed" show. I have two VCRs, so transferring will be no problem. (My VCRs don't like each other's tapes, though.., I don't know which machines tapes would work best in yours).

Anyway, I'll go out and buy some 6 hour tapes (I use 8 or 9 hour tapes), and change the speed on the VCR to "standard", and record the shows each week.

>>Interested? Let me know if you can do it. I appreciate it if you can.... Once again... I can pay for the tapes and P & H.<<

Sure..., no harder to program two recorders than on. From now on, I'll set up a recorder for my regular record, and the other machine for your record, at slower speed. No problem. We can "settle up" later.
 
Hi All,
If that cheap Bowie was Damascus I'll eat Your shorts. The blade that broke was a locally made(village smith) Parang of dubious quality as well as the other Parangs that I saw (they rebroadcast it tonight). Who ever put this thing together obviously was intending for the vewiers to watch a rustic soap-opra. I'll watch a couple more to see just how far this thing can sink before it starts to smell like a six day old dead fish in the sun.
Dan
 
Hey Dan....

That blade was Definately Damascus...
You could Only see a Really quick glint of it,, but it was damascus....

Where should I send the shorts to ???

ttyle Eric...

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Well, my money is on the Professor. The Skipper might have a little advantage because of all that extra fat he's carrying but the Professor is a whole lot smarter. And as for that one guy--what's his name? Gilligan or something like that? He'd be the first one I'd kill and eat. He doesn't seem smart enough to know how to peel a bananna. And as for the millionaire and his wife, what good will their millions do out on some island. They're dog meat. Then there's Ginger and Mary Ann. I think the Professor will know how to take care of them.

Just my 2 cents. How long is this show going to be on, anyway?


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The thing that strikes me about the situation is its' inherent aberrant, inhuman conditions. Human beings have survived as well as they have because they COOPERATED in groups. In this situation, the group is forced to select and sacrifice members at regular intervals for the ultimate benefit of (ultimately) one individual. As well as compete against another group. Instead of cooperation and collective augmentation of skills, you have infighting and betrayals.

To show just how weird this is, just imagine if these people were put into this position by alien beings. Start to see how unnatural it is?

I must admit I watched perhaps 15 min. of the show before surfing elsewhere. However, suppose one of us were put into this position; how would you act? Here is what I would do:

First of all, hide a number of useful things on my body (knives, matches, compass, water purification tabs [unless they are provided with potable water]; you get the idea). Of course, such things would have to be employed covertly; a number of methods of fire starting might be employed simultaneously at different locations (to distract the cameraman), and one method would suddenly work magically...with the help of a lifeboat match.
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I would first of all, get all the people together, explain the artificial conditions which go against human instincts, and then try and find out what our knowledge resources are. After that, consider what supplies we have not as what they are intended for, but what they could be better used for. Consider the fuel which was burned in the Tiki torch; better used for rust prevention, lubrication, fire starting, IMHO.

I saw the scene where the groups were brought together, and the MC complimented the group that had started the fire, but stated that there was no one tending it at that point, and it was probably out. Jeez; it looked like a fairly wooded island to me. They couldn't make a fire that would last a few hours? Not one of them has heard of an ember container?

The other thing I would do would be to declare myself a non-contestant. That is, at some point, when the group or I decided that my benefit to the group had peaked, I would voluntarily depart, not waiting to be voted out. I would also set an arbitrary number of people, say three or four, and if I made it that far, I would then opt out, whether or not the others still felt I was valuable enough to keep. This would accomplish a lot. People would be much more likely to listen to me and cooperate with me if they viewed me as non-threatening to their ultimate success; in fact, hopefully they would view me as an aid to their ultimate success. This would greatly aid in establishing a cooperative group dynamic.

Further, I would make every effort to corrupt and suborn the non participants. 'Jeez, Bob, that is a real nice video camera; I'll bet it would be tough to fix if it got accidently stepped on out here in the boonies; of course, no one here would do anything intentionally destructive to it (wink, wink). Now, about that illegal metal match you happened to see today; is their any reason you can think of that anyone except you and I need to know about it?'

Getting the others to actually cooperate with each other, viewing me as a non-competitor for the prize, and establishing a 'us against them' mentality regarding our tormentors (the TV crew) might be the best one could make of this situation.

What do the rest of you think? Walt
 
Walt:

I don't think it makes for a good TV show...

And there have been one or more groups in history where individuals were occasionally selected for removal from the group (Generally by death) for the believed good of one or more. And many groups in history had issues with abusing the population for good of one individual.

I think a more fun 'survival' TV show would be a true survival contest. Pick some reasonably threatening terrain, and outfit each person with a knife, and maybe one other small thing chosen in some ratings increasing way. Send each person out from a starting point, and give the million bucks to the first person to make it to the finish line, maybe a hundred miles away or so. You could do odd and assorted things in the middle to add to ratings, give them tasks to complete, whatever.

The hard part would be taping and keeping track of everyone. Today, it would probably be bad for people to die. Ratings would skyrocket, but someone would sue. So you'd have to keep everyone alive, at the minimum, and you'd have to get it all on film. That task I leave for the evil media industry to figure out.


Stryver
 
Stryver; my supposition was that one of us found ourselves in this position. I realize it wouldn't make for good TV ratings. It was a 'what if' thought.

Also, you said:

And there have been one or more groups in history where individuals were occasionally selected for removal from the group (Generally by death) for the believed good of one or more. And many groups in history had issues with abusing the population for good of one individual.

Correct, but usually these were sacrifices to propitiate the gods or god. Which were to ensure the welfare and continued existance of the group. Not its' diminution to a single member.

Civilizations that abused the population for the good of one individual existed all right, Stalin and Hitler, for example, but these were clearly deviations from the norm. I further disagree with your statement that there were many of these groups. Certainly there were many groups and civilizations that abused many for the advantage of a privileged class, but this is not what I was talking about.

In small groups, individuals who had outlived their usefulness usually had the good grace to die naturally, or were abandoned. However, this was again for the good of the remaining members of the group, as more members (children) were being added. To have a small group consciously and purposefully sacrifice member after member until only one remains is aberrant. It is a theme in horror movies: who IS it that is killing us off one by one?

Walt
 
Hey Guys....

If they were all Bladeforums members, ,they have to cancel the show....
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15 people trying to decide which knife they are going to take,, and who gets to carry it!!

Now theres a TV show!!!

ttyle Eric...

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There's a web page somewhere that specializes in running down fake SEALs.
navysealteams.com I think. Or maybe a link from there. I'm at work at a high school and such sites are blocked...but not bladeforums!
 
So how does the voting work when they are down to 2 people ? Maybe a survivalist yuppie deathmatch
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Walt:

One of Us in this position? My guess is that bringing contraband onto the island (aside from ratings-building silly things) would get you out of the running for the million bucks pretty fast. And though I might not volunteer for said TV show, I sure wouldn't intentionally disqualify myself from the prize. After all, a million bucks would buy an awefull lot of knives...
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As far as the sacrificing to god(s) analogy, I find it extremely fitting. How many people sit around at night worshipping the warm blue glow of a TV? And here, the sacrificees aren't gone forever, just out of the running for the million bucks. This isn't a case of diminution to a single member, it's rewarding a single member.

If the competition involved the likelihood of dying, I, too, would be more than happy to dismiss the game and the winnings and focus on survival. I don't think the chance of someone not surviving this "Survivor" are too high, however. It's a relatively silly game that focuses on something very different from 'surviving'. You can see this merely in the fact that a Navy SEAL, or, rather, a 70 some-odd former-UDT guy, recieved substantially more press than the middle-age former Air Force Survival Instructor. (Greg, did you know there was one in the show?) You can see this also by the fact that I was able to use 'press' in the former statement.

It's a game of entertainment, which just happens to be entertaining by bringing people beyond what they thought they could do (Participants or the audience), and just happens to do this in a mock-survival situation.

I was trying to speak toungue-in-cheek in my previous post, but it looks like I merely succeeded in biting my toungue. I'm fortunate that I have no TV. It enables me to stand on the morally high ground, and say, "That is a very silly show, why do people watch it", rather than, "I watched that show last night, and it was silly. I think I'll watch it again tonight, just to see how silly it gets."

Stryver, "I used my survival/improvisational skills to build a BBQ in my backyard, and a starter for the charcoal that lights half a can of charcoal with a metal match and a sheet of yesterdays comics."
 
there are probably a bunch of things n that island that could kill someone. Snakes, tripping and breaking a neck, poisonous bugs that could cause an allergic reaction, drowning, sea snakes, etc. My guess is that they have a bunch of doctors and rescue personnel hiding somewhere in the event that something bad happens.
 
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