Changed my mind about the edge pro

I can't speak to the wicked edge, but it would be fun to try one.

At the risk of sounding arrogant, I would put my EP edges up against anyone else's, and I do mean anyone. The level of control is just unreal, and absolutely perfect edges are easy to achieve. I'm sure that other owners of the EP could likewise match my edges.

Sorry I can't compare, but the EP is really all that it is cracked up to be, IMO.
 
a nice thing about the edge pro is you can really put some force down on the knife and even reprofile an edge with the 120 if you wanted to.
 
I may be misinformed, but I was told that the Wicked Edge was made in the USA. Including the stones. I have also heard that Ben gets his stones made for him overseas. These are just things I have read on the internet and do not know for sure. If someone knows for sure that would be good information to know.

As far as cost, the Wicked Edge uses diamond stones, and they are not cheap. I dont believe the majority of the cost is due to ads.

Hard to adjust? Mine isnt. Repeatability? Easy, they even give you a ruler so you put it in the same way. They even give you a journal in the instructions so you can write down the exact position according to the ruler.

Long knives have been no problem at all with mine.

If you have been using the Edge Pro for 20 years with excellent results, why do you spend money on other Sharpeners?

Im a sucker for a slick add.
gary
 
I have never been a edgepro fan I have had one from 1992 or so.
But if you watch the video right the end you free hand the finished knife on a ceramic hone! That has never made any sense to me being that you carefully sharpen an a machine to get the perfect angle and then free hand it on a ceramic hone:confused:
 
That's a lame attempt to deflect... how about an actual response to a legitimate question... if you have one? It seems that when you can't support your position... this is what you turn to.

cbw

You actually seem like you have a pretty decent knowledge of knives, sharpening, sharpening systems, etc, which is pretty disappointing because after seeing the way you interact with other members of this community, I will most likely disregard any comments made by you in the future.

You've been here long enough to know that this place is just as much about the other members as it is about the knives and knowledge. It's a shame that this is the way you feel you need to communicate with the others here.

Jordan
 
You actually seem like you have a pretty decent knowledge of knives, sharpening, sharpening systems, etc, which is pretty disappointing because after seeing the way you interact with other members of this community, I will most likely disregard any comments made by you in the future.

You've been here long enough to know that this place is just as much about the other members as it is about the knives and knowledge. It's a shame that this is the way you feel you need to communicate with the others here.

Jordan

Interesting. I appreciate your opening compliment. I say that to make a point... I view the forum as a place to receive and pass on information, above whether or not someone can handle being challenged on what they say. All I did was question him for providing what I think is contradictory information. Yes, I'm a blunt and to the point person. If he wanted, he could have backed his position. Instead, he resorted to badgering, name calling, posting "jerk-it" symbols, etc. as well as being evasive and never answering the question. I didn't do any of that... just kept pressing him for a legitimate answer.

So, while I appreciate your comments and will think about being a bit more tactful in the future, honestly, if this is your reason for not reading my posts... that you would rather read a person who exhibits the above characteristics, over someone who doesn't dance around an issue... there's not much I can say or do about that.

cbw
 
That's a lame attempt to deflect... how about an actual response to a legitimate question... if you have one? It seems that when you can't support your position... this is what you turn to.

cbw

I don't feed trolls.


Stitchawl
 
Here is a link that can be of value to you...
http://www.hookedonphonics.com/
After learning their techniques, please go back and read what I wrote. Then post it, rather than taking what was said out of context. It will make for a more accurate statement. What I actually said was that for a certain type of blade shape clamping can be helpful. Please note that I did NOT say to one MUST use a clamp. I did not say to use a clamp for all blades. What I DID say was don't be anal in your need to follow rules. Be willing to explore
Stitchawl

Heroic.
 
That's what you hide behind. Questioning you on statements you make is not trolling. I suspect, if you actually had an answer, you'd provide it.

cbw

You don't take a hint very well. I'll try bold letters and caps.

I DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.


Stitchawl
 
Call it what you want, I won't apologize for questioning someone who's providing contradictory information, and talking about things that they have no actual experience with. (Obviously, one of my pet peeves).

I do find it interesting that others seem more interested in your silliness, rather than your contradictory statements, and lack of actual experience and facts. You might consider running for public office.

cbw
 
Well, this was a good thread but now it looks to be headed to whine and cheese...

At any rate, I've been thinking about the W.E. and thought up a few pros and cons. Please don't hesitate to correct (or agree with) me.

Pros

*Once the blade is clamped, sharpening looks to be a very fast process
*Diamond stones cut well regardless of blade material (this system would appear to quickly sharpen ceramic knives)
*Diamonds are very hard-wearing leading to a long life assuming the system is manufactured and used correctly.
*Color coded stones would appear to increase the speed of the process as well as preventing misidentification.
*The makers appear willing to redesign certain aspects of the machine and introduce improved stones/strops in response to consumer requests
*Sharpening both sides at the same time should prevent the formation of uneven bevels and offset center lines. Again, it also appears to increase the sharpening speed.

Cons

*Since the blade is clamped, the sharpening angle changes at the off-center extremes such as the tip of the blade. Additionally, since a lot of the blade is not supported on longer knives the tip will tend to wiggle during the process which, if not controlled for, would produce a sloppy edge.
*Custom mono-crystalline diamond stones available only from the manufacturer are expensive
*Diamond stones don't expose new abrasive as they wear like other stones do. If the diamonds fall out or get pushed into the matrix the stone will permanently lose cutting ability.
*Angle only goes down to 15 degrees which prevents one from grinding a low primary bevel or for other specialized tasks.
*The system appears to require a permanent or semi-permanent installation to a surface or heavy object. Portability appears low.
*The makers/inventors appear to be faltering under the weight or responsibility of being a new manufacturer with a potentially hot product. Although they've demonstrated good showmanship with their videos and public demonstrations, there appears to be a number of cases where purchasers were made to wait many weeks to receive their orders, promises were broken, etc. All this may change in time as the company owners gain experience.


I will probably keep an eye on this system but I'm not opening my wallet any time soon. I believe the inventors did a good and innovative job of improving the shortcomings of clamped sharpeners, but they also spent too much time on the cosmetics of the design and it's visual appeal and in doing so failed to address core design shortcomings while introducing some new ones.
 
The angles don't change, I left the link showing this in an earlier post.

It comes with an attachment that stabilizes long thin knives so there is no flex.
 
Here's my take...

Well, this was a good thread but now it looks to be headed to whine and cheese... Not anymore, I'm done with that part.

At any rate, I've been thinking about the W.E. and thought up a few pros and cons. Please don't hesitate to correct (or agree with) me.

Pros

*Once the blade is clamped, sharpening looks to be a very fast process Yes, and so is reprofiling.
*Diamond stones cut well regardless of blade material (this system would appear to quickly sharpen ceramic knives) They do cut quickly across a variety of steels. I don't know about ceramics... haven't done any.
*Diamonds are very hard-wearing leading to a long life assuming the system is manufactured and used correctly. My time is short, so can't say. They have broken in typical to diamond stones, and now seem to be holding up well.
*Color coded stones would appear to increase the speed of the process as well as preventing misidentification. Yes, and I think the newer ones will also be marked with the grit #. I actually made up a list when I first got it... would be nice to see an included color coded sheet if they're not labled.
*The makers appear willing to redesign certain aspects of the machine and introduce improved stones/strops in response to consumer requests Yes, and in my case, and a few others, he made a couple of custom setups to try. Clay is very open to new ideas and suggestions.
*Sharpening both sides at the same time should prevent the formation of uneven bevels and offset center lines. Again, it also appears to increase the sharpening speed. Yes, and it also pretty much eliminates the formation of burrs and wire edges... a very strong plus in my mind.

Cons

*Since the blade is clamped, the sharpening angle changes at the off-center extremes such as the tip of the blade. Additionally, since a lot of the blade is not supported on longer knives the tip will tend to wiggle during the process which, if not controlled for, would produce a sloppy edge. The angle change is not much, there's actually some photos on the website talking about it, under the FAQ page. I learned something I didn't know before... it's not the length that changes the angle, it's the movement "off the plane" as you go around a curve toward the tip. A misinterpertation of this also is sometimes made because some knives as you approach the tip, also move into thicker metal, so the bevel gets larger to keep the same angle. This isn't specific to the WE. For the "wiggle" part, the system comes with a support/brace that you can use on longer thin blades to support it and control side to side movement. Thicker knives it's not an issue.
*Custom mono-crystalline diamond stones available only from the manufacturer are expensive I'm not sure comparing it to other stones, but I think you're right here.
*Diamond stones don't expose new abrasive as they wear like other stones do. If the diamonds fall out or get pushed into the matrix the stone will permanently lose cutting ability. True I guess, although all stones could be damaged in some manner (drop a waterstone for example). So I guess I would say... shouldn't with normal use.
*Angle only goes down to 15 degrees which prevents one from grinding a low primary bevel or for other specialized tasks. Yes
*The system appears to require a permanent or semi-permanent installation to a surface or heavy object. Portability appears low. Not really. I would say not as convenient as the Edge Pro for example, where everything folds up in a kit, but certainly not a stationary setup. The newer base they sell is heavy enough to work on, but not the weight of the granite plate... I can carry it in one hand. You can of course, create your own. But you wouldn't need to, for example, bolt it to a bench.
*The makers/inventors appear to be faltering under the weight or responsibility of being a new manufacturer with a potentially hot product. Although they've demonstrated good showmanship with their videos and public demonstrations, there appears to be a number of cases where purchasers were made to wait many weeks to receive their orders, promises were broken, etc. All this may change in time as the company owners gain experience. True, although I'm not sure faltering is a good word... they are making changes to meet the demand. I would say that there is a little more room for improvement, and they are working to adapt to these needs.


I will probably keep an eye on this system but I'm not opening my wallet any time soon. I believe the inventors did a good and innovative job of improving the shortcomings of clamped sharpeners, but they also spent too much time on the cosmetics of the design and it's visual appeal and in doing so failed to address core design shortcomings while introducing some new ones.

cbw
 
^Thanks for the review and additional knowledge. Once you've gotten comfortable with the system I'm hoping you wouldn't mind posting a more in-depth review.
 
The stones are now clearly marked as to the grit as well as being color coded.

Also, depending on the knife, you can go down as low as 12 degrees.

The W.E. has a lot going for it. A good alternative if you are not comfortable with the Edge Pro.
 
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