Changes that you'd like to see from the large manufacturers of folding knives?

STOP PRODUCING HEAVY DUTY FOLDERS USING LINER AND FRAME LOCKS!



Liner locks and frame locks are not suitable for a brute force knife design. They are fine for use in knives that open boxes and cut oranges but not for tools requiring a dead nuts reliable locking mechanism.
 
ALLHSS said:
Hey man, really not trying to be a jerk or even challenging your assertions in your thread, but did you see my similar thread with the Kudu?
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Yep, and it seemed to hold up quite well. :)

I think that most decent locks are capable of a lot more than the internet talk tends to suggest.

Other than a few $10 Pakistan lock-backs (waaayy back in the day) and a REALLY cheap Chinese liner lock, I haven't experienced much in the way of lock issues.
 
precisionshootist said:
STOP PRODUCING HEAVY DUTY FOLDERS USING LINER AND FRAME LOCKS!



Liner locks and frame locks are not suitable for a brute force knife design. They are fine for use in knives that open boxes and cut oranges but not for tools requiring a dead nuts reliable locking mechanism.
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Respectfully, that's poppycock. Then again, why not eliminate folders entirely!
 
Honestly, I wouldn't suggest any changes.
There's already a ton of variety out there, coming from lots of reputable companies.
 
stabman said:
Yep, and it seemed to hold up quite well. :)

I think that most decent locks are capable of a lot more than the internet talk tends to suggest.
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That's my point exactly. All these knives us "knife knuts" like, we like for a reason. They all have their merits, and we all decide which have enough perceived value to purchase and use according to our individual needs and wants. That's why the answers in a thread like this are always so varied. Buy what you like and be happy, you know?


(Side note, it did dull. I think I mentioned so, but not sure. More so, I was impressed that it didn't get side to side play. For yours, I was really impressed it didn't deform the lock cut out. I wish ZT would leave more material there, but then some people would complain about the stronger detent).
 
ALLHSS said:
That's my point exactly. All these knives us "knife knuts" like, we like for a reason. They all have their merits, and we all decide which have enough perceived value to purchase and use according to our individual needs and wants. That's why the answers in a thread like this are always so varied. Buy what you like and be happy, you know?
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Absolute agreement there. :thumbup:
 
precisionshootist said:
STOP PRODUCING HEAVY DUTY FOLDERS USING LINER AND FRAME LOCKS!



Liner locks and frame locks are not suitable for a brute force knife design. They are fine for use in knives that open boxes and cut oranges but not for tools requiring a dead nuts reliable locking mechanism.
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Just because the lock cannot support the weight of a truck in a situation that it was never meant to be used in does not mean that the lock is weak. There is countless proof that a proper liner or frame lock is bullet proof. The better suggestion is for companies to stop being lazy on lock design, so the lock has a chance of failure even when it is not a lemon.

I have had like one liner or frame lock that legitimately sucked, even including the somewhat decent dirt cheap folders. It was actually an Emerson. If I can have like $500 in sub $30 folders that were perfectly solid, I don't think they are in any way inherently flawed. If I can have thousands in more expensive folders that were fine, there is obviously no inherent flaw.
 
dkb45 said:
Just because the lock cannot support the weight of a truck in a situation that it was never meant to be used in does not mean that the lock is weak. There is countless proof that a proper liner or frame lock is bullet proof.
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But what's the point of giving all these countless knives 4 mm+ blade stock? Surely they'd cut better with more acute geometry, and since "you should never pry with a knife", lateral strength isn't an issue, no?
 
Goosey said:
But what's the point of giving all these countless knives 4 mm+ blade stock? Surely they'd cut better with more acute geometry, and since "you should never pry with a knife", lateral strength isn't an issue, no?
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I mentioned that in my previous post. Don't ask me why, because all manufacturers do it. All except Opinel I think. Look at the ZT 350, it is moderately thin behind the edge but can be beaten like a rental car. Thicker does not mean strong, it usually just translates to brick cutting. It isn't like if hard use wasn't a thing that all knives would be paring knife thin, they would all be around where the Delica or 350 are. A Delica in Elmax will outcut almost any Elmax ZT (aside the 770). Not sure how geometry and physics were never taught to knife designers.
 
i would like to see more simple no frills design for everyday use, maybe with upgrade steels. and definately less titanium. also simple designs doesn't mean ugly.
also maybe more slip joints for the legally challgened of us :D
 
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