China Buck vs. USA Buck

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phidz said:
Yeah, I could repost or search, but I want to see what others are experiencing with newer knives they have purchased. I just ordered a buck 303+ (made in USA) and a 373+(made in China) and damn, the 373 is tighter, higher quality and overall a better knife. I also ordered a buck 119+ professional with S35VN seel and the quality of the grind and handle is poor. I can only assume that Buck Knives is one shit company to work for. Forget the nostalgia, Buck sucks, they need to fix there shit and pay/train their workers. Gerber is making a comback with quality knives. #bucksucks.

Keep the language family friendly here, or find another venue to post.
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Well, you know what they say about assumptions. :rolleyes:
 
phidz said:
I should clarify my or

Im really not sure why someone would take it so personally. Yeah, dude doesnt use a knife, just keeps it shiny, noting wrong with that but I'm a knife user, not a knife collector. Then you come out and say I have a disability, im on the "spectrum". Im really lost for words. My intention is that USA made buck knifes are not good. Chinese made buck knifes are better. I am not OK with this. Buck knives shouldnt be either...
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But you're here complaining about two knives that have what appear to be minor cosmetic issues that don't affect function, sooooo....?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
It's interesting. This guy who is a knife user, not a collector, spends $200 on a collector's knife. It's not up to his high standards, and would rather bitch about it than return it. Returning it would net him ten or twenty high quality Chinese knives. The 303 thing makes even less sense.

Nothing about this adds up. This whole thing is pure horsefeathers, or there's a lot more to the story than the OP is letting on. I wonder if this is the Spyderco guy under a new name.
 
dsutton24 said:
It's interesting. This guy who is a knife user, not a collector, spends $200 on a collector's knife. It's not up to his high standards, and would rather bitch about it than return it. Returning it would net him ten or twenty high quality Chinese knives. The 303 thing makes even less sense.

Nothing about this adds up. This whole thing is pure horsefeathers, or there's a lot more to the story than the OP is letting on. I wonder if this is the Spyderco guy under a new name.
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Good aim!
 
phidz said:
Son, if you wanna be OK with the fact that US buck knives are inferior, you are the problem.
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Eh, I only have two buck slipjoints. One is US made, one is China made. The US made Buck 301 is overall a better knife, made with better steel, and better action than the Chinese made Buck 382. I do have a drop point Buck 110 LT with uneven secondary bevels, but my recently purchased 124 doesn't have any flaws that I've noticed.

Buck makes lots of knives, some are going to need fixin'.
 
phidz said:
Son, if you wanna be OK with the fact that US buck knives are inferior, you are the problem.
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Like I said, ”inferior“ is subjective. You keep saying it’s a “fact” based on your VERY limited experience. Being rude doesn’t make your opinion correct. Do some real-world cutting with a USA and China buck and let us know how it goes. My 110 out-cuts my china nobleman every time.
 
Here is the truth, I love Buck knives, I want my buck knife to be awesome. The $200 buck 119 is a knife I carry in the mountains, I depend on it, and I trust it. Its unfortunate that my tone and choice of words has turned this post into a bash on me, and become personal. I dont like that my benchmade knifes are better made, I dont like that the chinese made Buck 303 equivalent has tighter joints, I dont like that grinds come out knicked and uneven... I understand the Bos heat treatment is great and makes a difference, but if your going to try and sell premium knives, have a premium process. Otherwise, continue your success in Walmart.
 
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phidz said:
Here is the truth, I love Buck knives, I want my buck knife to be awesome. The $200 buck 119 is a knife I carry in the mountains, I depend on it, and I trust it. Its unfortunate that my tone and choice of words has turned this post into a bash on me, and become personal. I dont like that my benchmade knifes are better made, I dont like that the chinese made Buck 303 equivalent has tighter joints, I dont like that grinds come out knicked and uneven... I understand the Bos heat treatment is great and makes a difference, but if your going to try and sell premium knives, have a premium process. Otherwise, continue your success in Walmart.
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Hey you should have led with this take! its balanced and, while your opinion, reasonable enough. I know I sometimes come out swinging with opinions and have to be toned down by the group- its ok. Don't give up on your knife passion, just temper the frustration a bit, realizing the subforum you are in. Stick around and contribute to the discussions on BF.
 
I think the issue is just the assertions made previously implied or had the tone that 'every' USA made Buck was garbage while 'every' China made Buck was wonderful. Neither is true. My Langford is fine, though not perfect. It's a bit tight on the frame lock, but still good. Most of my Buck's are USA made while only one of those has a grind issue. I'll address that later as it isn't a critical issue, just a subtle imperfection. I will be buying more of both as they are all 'generally' good knives. In addition to buying more USA made Bucks, I still want to round out my collection with a canoe and some others that are China made. I will also be buying both China and USA made knives from other brands. There are many brands which have overall good/decent knives, but with occasional quality issues affecting some individual knives or models. Unless you have a very large sample size to back up assertions, it's never good to claim that 'all/every' anything is bad or good. A sample size of only one or two out of thousands made is just not big enough to make that a valid claim. It is much better, if there is an issue, to claim it for only the knife you have or those you know about, not all/every. Then, you can let others add whether that is common or unusual based on their knives and experiences. If an individual knife has an issue, you may also get it addressed/replaced by the manufacturer. Then, you can have a good example and they can learn about gaps in their process. Win/win.
 
TimButterfield said:
I think the issue is just the assertions made previously implied or had the tone that 'every' USA made Buck was garbage while 'every' China made Buck was wonderful. Neither is true. My Langford is fine, though not perfect. It's a bit tight on the frame lock, but still good. Most of my Buck's are USA made while only one of those has a grind issue. I'll address that later as it isn't a critical issue, just a subtle imperfection. I will be buying more of both as they are all 'generally' good knives. In addition to buying more USA made Bucks, I still want to round out my collection with a canoe and some others that are China made. I will also be buying both China and USA made knives from other brands. There are many brands which have overall good/decent knives, but with occasional quality issues affecting some individual knives or models. Unless you have a very large sample size to back up assertions, it's never good to claim that 'all/every' anything is bad or good. A sample size of only one or two out of thousands made is just not big enough to make that a valid claim. It is much better, if there is an issue, to claim it for only the knife you have or those you know about, not all/every. Then, you can let others add whether that is common or unusual based on their knives and experiences. If an individual knife has an issue, you may also get it addressed/replaced by the manufacturer. Then, you can have a good example and they can learn about gaps in their process. Win/win.
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Nicely said Tim
 
phidz said:
Here is the truth, I love Buck knives, I want my buck knife to be awesome. The $200 buck 119 is a knife I carry in the mountains, I depend on it, and I trust it. Its unfortunate that my tone and choice of words has turned this post into a bash on me, and become personal. I dont like that my benchmade knifes are better made, I dont like that the chinese made Buck 303 equivalent has tighter joints, I dont like that grinds come out knicked and uneven... I understand the Bos heat treatment is great and makes a difference, but if your going to try and sell premium knives, have a premium process. Otherwise, continue your success in Walmart.
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much better stated and ya got your points across clearly...least to me. some I even agree with. thank you for taking the time to clarify your words and position on the topics.
 
phidz said:
Here is the truth, I love Buck knives, I want my buck knife to be awesome. The $200 buck 119 is a knife I carry in the mountains, I depend on it, and I trust it. Its unfortunate that my tone and choice of words has turned this post into a bash on me, and become personal. I dont like that my benchmade knifes are better made, I dont like that the chinese made Buck 303 equivalent has tighter joints, I dont like that grinds come out knicked and uneven... I understand the Bos heat treatment is great and makes a difference, but if your going to try and sell premium knives, have a premium process. Otherwise, continue your success in Walmart.
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Your first post should have been this one. You came into a forum of buck knife lovers and led with some antagonistic statements of your opinion as gospel truth. No hard feelings though.

I’m not a collector. I carry and use a 110 for everything from carving wood, to cutting rope and cord, to digging clams. I, personally, buy used knives. So fit and finish is less of a concern to me, and I reprofile and sharpen any knife I get to how I prefer it. The 110 is my edc, and often my only knife at times.

I agree with you that when you pay $200 for a custom knife, even to use, you have a higher standard of quality control. The only advice I can offer as to that is to contact buck and hopefully they will make it right. I love the 119 — mine is a beat up 440c model I got for $20 a few years ago. Yours is a custom. The fit and finish should be better.

At any rate, report back on how things work out with your 119 and your slipjoints.

Also, welcome to the forum.
 
J Hubbard said:
Can you post pic of the 119 handle? That is made from block not two piece, so I am very curious as to what you are seeing.
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Wow! Right from the source, impressive. I think if I have questions about the Buck I'm asking you. Is that ok?
 
phidz said:
I posted pics too, have you seen the hate from the buck fan boys? One way street here apparently.
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You're provoking it. You must have too much time on your hands.
 
I'll almost always stick to buying USA-made Bucks as I'd rather my money fuel the economy of the free world than that of communism, with no criticism to the design or build quality of the the products themselves. That said, I love my classic 119 with its phenolic handle and 420HC steel. That thing really is excellent and has been a favorite "standard all purpose outdoors knife" for many years.
Its guard had a slight wiggle out of box; I paid it no mind. Roughly a decade later, I've never had an issue with how my 119 performs in any role I've needed it to, and I appreciate it more with each use.
Do I want a custom 119 in Magnacut? You betcha...but do I need one? Definitely not.
 
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