Chinese 9Cr18Mov credible or not

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I'm considering getting the Brothers of Bushcraft knife.

Before that, I found some exact Far East knockoffs some claim are made from 9Cr18Mov while others with the exact same pictures and price show 7Cr17Mov instead.

Do I have any reason to believe these blades are made from 9Cr18Mov or just 7Cr17Mov given the price of about $26.80?

Thanks
 
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Hi D dude1 and welcome to the forum.

Tops make an excellent knife, have very nice fit and finish, and offer great customer support. I highly recommend purchasing one from a reputable knife dealer. Ordering from Amazon opens the potential for getting a fake or sub standard exchanged model.

Also Aliexpress is quite unpopular with this forum, as they sell clones and direct fakes of reputable knife makers.

Good luck in your search!
 
dude1 said:
I'm considering getting this excellent bushcraft knife


Before that, I found some Far East knockoffs some claim are made of 9Cr18Mov (see in their title)


Do I have any reason to believe these blades are made of 9Cr18Mov or just 7Cr17Mov given the price of about $26.80?

Thanks
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Welcome to Blade Forums. You should remove the links to non-supporting vendors. It’s breaking the rules you agreed to under TOS.

Also, this isn’t the place to discuss the merits of clones and counterfeits. I think there’s a Reddit group for that.

Avoid clones, counterfeits and knock-offs and the locations that sell them. Buy from reputable dealers and you stand a better chance of getting what what was advertised.

Good luck.
 
It’s not the “Chinese” part that’s a problem. As with products from anywhere else in the world, reputable companies care about their brand. Reate, Kizer, WE, Real Steel, Rike... all Chinese, all good.

If you shop on an unregulated market, as aliexpress is, then you dramatically increase your chances of getting burned.
 
Avoid Ali express, Amazon, eBay, dhgate.

They are also not vendors here and you can't link to them. Please remove the links.

We also don't support clones here of which those few are. Avoid clones they are just bad knives.

As for if the steel is good... It's likely not a good heat treatment. We knives have some in there civivi line which has been heat treated well. Look that direction.
Kizer has some fixed blades too with a decent heat treatment.
 
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Hey dude, we may sound harsh but we appreciate your interest in our forum!
Clones/Replicas are extremely looked down upon in these parts! We support the originators of knife and tool designs. Selling clones and replicas is a form of theft. We don't take kindly to thieves here either (not implying you're a thief) .
I'd (as well of the most of us, I assume) want and encourage you to stick around.
Please just follow the rules that you agreed too and enjoy!
Although I don't currently own a Tops knife I know they make a great, hard use, and an American made knife! It'll last you a lifetime and if you have an issue you'll recieve top notch customer service! I look forward to your future posts!
 
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dude1 said:
I'm considering getting the Brothers of Bushcraft knife.

Before that, I found some exact Far East knockoffs some claim are made from 9Cr18Mov while others with the exact same pictures and price show 7Cr17Mov instead.

Do I have any reason to believe these blades are made from 9Cr18Mov or just 7Cr17Mov given the price of about $26.80?

Thanks
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Dude, you are talking about "Chinese" knockoffs. Not "Far East" knockoffs. No other country in the Far East has the kind of issues you are talking about to any significant extent if at all. Or the steels you mentioned.
 
Can we...

OK. Simply put:

“Knock off” = always a bad thing.

“Chinese” = sometimes actually %^*#ing awesome.

Why do we keep attaching origin, instead of correctly identifying that the problem is proliferation of knock offs and fakes on unregulated markets?
 
dude1 said:
I'm considering getting the Brothers of Bushcraft knife.

Before that, I found some exact Far East knockoffs some claim are made from 9Cr18Mov while others with the exact same pictures and price show 7Cr17Mov instead.

Do I have any reason to believe these blades are made from 9Cr18Mov or just 7Cr17Mov given the price of about $26.80?

Thanks
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Save yourself a painful experience. Take your time, save and get A real TOPS Fieldcraft in 154cm, YOU WONT REGRET.


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I would buy from more reputable companies first. Good warranties, good support from good people. You can not put a price on these things.
 
dude1 said:
I'm considering getting the Brothers of Bushcraft knife.

Before that, I found some exact Far East knockoffs some claim are made from 9Cr18Mov while others with the exact same pictures and price show 7Cr17Mov instead.

Do I have any reason to believe these blades are made from 9Cr18Mov or just 7Cr17Mov given the price of about $26.80?

Thanks
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Don't support clones, no matter the quality.
 
9Cr18MoV is the equivalent of 440B. It's completely plausible that it's used in a $26 knife, especially one from a company without any marketing overhead. On the other hand, regardless of if it's really 7Cr or 9Cr, would either of those be a steel you want?

Tops knives are definitely expensive, but you can find plenty of comparable (IMO) legitimate knives for less - ESEE, Ka-Bar, etc. Or, if you are looking for a scandi bushcraft knife, take a look at some of the actual Scandinavian makers - I'm a huge fan of Enzo, personally. Or, for a bit more you can get an LT Wright in A2 or 3V.
 
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9Cr18MoV is the equivalent of 440B. It's completely plausible that it's used in a $26 knife, especially one from a company without any marketing overhead. On the other hand, regardless of if it's really 7Cr or 9Cr, would either of those be a steel you want?

Tops knives are definitely expensive, but you can find plenty of comparable (IMO) legitimate knives for less - ESEE, Ka-Bar, etc. Or, if you are looking for a scandi bushcraft knife, take a look at some of the actual Scandinavian makers - I'm a huge fan of Enzo, personally. Or, for a bit more you can get an LT Wright in A2 or 3V.
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man, not 440B but its equivalent to our 440C in north america standard.

9cr18MoV steel equivalent
The closest steel to 9cr18MoV would be the 440C Steel. They have a very close chemical composition, both offer great corrosion resistance and good edge retention, they both fall in the same price range, and they're both used in low/mid-entry knives (20-60 USD knives). Mar 19, 2020

I have a tanto made of 9cr18mov that is actually the real steel composition since verified by my brother at my local university and i HRC punch tested it at my workplace at 58-59 (two time)

with the correct heat treat the 9cr18mov steel is great for low budget blade (real EDC user one)

I have put this knife under the WORST working condition at my work and tried to break the tip several time half an inch inside hard wood in the wilderness and guess what the tip is still STRAIGHT and the edge retention is incredible !!!
Unbelievable for a $16 knock off knife!
Im not dumb enough to throw $500.00 for the same thing in S30V when this one do ALMOST the same performance and LESS prone to chipping actually for $16 buck ! ;)

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Cognoscenti said:
man, not 440B but its equivalent to our 440C in north america standard.

9cr18MoV steel equivalent
The closest steel to 9cr18MoV would be the 440C Steel. They have a very close chemical composition, both offer great corrosion resistance and good edge retention, they both fall in the same price range, and they're both used in low/mid-entry knives (20-60 USD knives). Mar 19, 2020

I have a tanto made of 9cr18mov that is actually the real steel composition since verified by my brother at my local university and i HRC punch tested it at my workplace at 58-59 (two time)

with the correct heat treat the 9cr18mov steel is great for low budget blade (real EDC user one)

I have put this knife under the WORST working condition at my work and tried to break the tip several time half an inch inside hard wood in the wilderness and guess what the tip is still STRAIGHT and the edge retention is incredible !!!
Unbelievable for a $40 knock off knife!
Im not dumb enough to throw $500.00 for the same thing in S30V when this one do ALMOST the same performance and LESS prone to chipping actually.
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Wowsers. Even copied the logo and all.
 
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The "Far East" includes many countries. One, and only one country in the Far East produces and makes knives with 9Cr18Mov amd makes knockoffs/copies/counterfeits, because they refuse to recognize internationally recognized ip rights and patents.
That country is China. And the other nations in the Far East are victimized the same as North America and Europe. There are no "Far East knockoffs", only Chinese Knockoffs.
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and very tought/good one for the price
throwing $500.00 for the same is utterly ridiculous and a dumbass move IMHO
 
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