Chinese S35VN?

[GatorFlash1]

I have Kizer and CRK knives, both with S35VN blades. I find no difference in edge holding ability. They are both very good performers. Sharpening feel is identical with each. I look at the Kizers as the poor man's Sebbie.

 

[RamZar]

Kizer uses genuine S35VN and M390.

 

[evilgreg]

I have Kizer and CRK knives, both with S35VN blades. I find no difference in edge holding ability. They are both very good performers. Sharpening feel is identical with each. I look at the Kizers as the poor man's Sebbie.

This. Unless you think CRK is not using real S35VN, I wouldn't doubt Kizer--sharpening behavior and edge holding behavior seem to be quite similar if I compare my Sebenza to my S35VN Kizers.

 

[Hackenslash]

During the Tim Britton Tango / Kizer 401 debacle, either Kizer or CPM posted copies of invoices confirming the sale of S35VN to Kizer. It's fairly well confirmed that the steel originates in the US.

 

[PURPLEDC]

During the Tim Britton Tango / Kizer 401 debacle, either Kizer or CPM posted copies of invoices confirming the sale of S35VN to Kizer. It's fairly well confirmed that the steel originates in the US.

That whole debacle was comedy gold. I really wish a knife documentary had been made over that whole thing. What I still facepalm over were the flat earthers saying that the documents could have been faked even though Crucible confirmed. It was just such a nummy situation. I ate it up and still am craving seconds. Its like my own little knife version of reality TV drama.

 

[evilgreg]

That whole debacle was comedy gold. I really wish a knife documentary had been made over that whole thing. What I still facepalm over were the flat earthers saying that the documents could have been faked even though Crucible confirmed. It was just such a nummy situation. I ate it up and still am craving seconds. Its like my own little knife version of reality TV drama.

It was great, but I didn't enjoy it quite as much as the Cold Steel Sebenza lock test video. Watching the fan boys lose their minds over that one was hilarious. As I recall it was this sort of gibbering:

"The test was faked!"
"Everything about the Sebenza is perfect, and the finely tuned RIL fails at four pounds of pressure as a safety precaution to ensure the knife is unharmed if you use it improperly."
"Why does anyone care if knives lock in the first place?"

 

[PURPLEDC]

It was great, but I didn't enjoy it quite as much as the Cold Steel Sebenza lock test video. Watching the fan boys lose their minds over that one was hilarious. As I recall it was this sort of gibbering:

"The test was faked!"
"Everything about the Sebenza is perfect, and the finely tuned RIL fails at four pounds of pressure as a safety precaution to ensure the knife is unharmed if you use it improperly."
"Why does anyone care if knives lock in the first place?"

Thats something I will never understand. We have an evergrowing movement of people whos only focus seems to be things that will never matter yet are toted as being of paramount importance. My question is when is strong strong enough. These are knives. Cutting tools. And I see a lot of hub hub over this lock being stronger than this lock, or this pivot washer is more robust than that pivot bearing. And I keep thinking, as long as you are using a sebenza as a knife and a 4 max as a knife I don't think you will ever need an appreciation for which has the better this or that. Now, If I was going to remake the movie cliffhanger but said the actors had to scale a cliff face with nothing but two folding knives being stabbed into the damn mountain Id probably want a cold steel as I cant argue they make the strongest locks I have ever seen. But I don't understand where the shift happened where a lock was a secondary safety precaution for an unintentional mistake to prevent injury and a device we should lean on as if any lock can transform a knife into a fixed blade. Seems like a whole lot of phallic measurement to me. Either way, I have no doubt that Kizer uses s35vn. At least no more doubts than I do of other companies. Especially the ones found to have screwed up and accidentally didn't use the steel they claim to have.

 

[evilgreg]

Thats something I will never understand. We have an evergrowing movement of people whos only focus seems to be things that will never matter yet are toted as being of paramount importance. My question is when is strong strong enough. These are knives. Cutting tools. And I see a lot of hub hub over this lock being stronger than this lock, or this pivot washer is more robust than that pivot bearing. And I keep thinking, as long as you are using a sebenza as a knife and a 4 max as a knife I don't think you will ever need an appreciation for which has the better this or that. Now, If I was going to remake the movie cliffhanger but said the actors had to scale a cliff face with nothing but two folding knives being stabbed into the damn mountain Id probably want a cold steel as I cant argue they make the strongest locks I have ever seen. But I don't understand where the shift happened where a lock was a secondary safety precaution for an unintentional mistake to prevent injury and a device we should lean on as if any lock can transform a knife into a fixed blade. Seems like a whole lot of phallic measurement to me. Either way, I have no doubt that Kizer uses s35vn. At least no more doubts than I do of other companies. Especially the ones found to have screwed up and accidentally didn't use the steel they claim to have.

Oh, I have no argument. I think the most common form of pointless obsession and snobbery of all is blade steel madness. The people that act is if carrying a knife with anything less than CPM-3V or M390 or S110V or whatever would somehow make the knife unusable is laughably stupid. For the vast majority of people, in the vast majority of use cases, the differences between blade steels on a folding knife will have a negligible impact on a how well a knife works for someone. People will come up with some crazy justification like "well in my job I have to cut kevlar fibers all day long" for why they need YXR-72X at HRC 9000 when pushed on the issue, which is silly because in those cases a purpose-built tool would work better anyway (e.g. if you cut boxes all day long, why wouldn't you use a replaceable blade box cutter?) In reality most knife users (not knife nuts that hang out here) sharpen very infrequently. I talk to people about sharpening their pocket knives and they usually have either never sharpened them or they drag them through a pull-through sharpener once a year. If you gave those folks a blade steel that was twice as wear resistant you give them what, the ability to go two years instead of one between terrible sharpenings? When I was in the army, assigned to SF units, most knives where made of 440C or some mystery steel and unbelievably we were still able to cut stuff.

I enjoyed the CRK lock strength thing not because I think locks really need to be super strong, but because I love when something happens that makes a whole cult freak out in unison. When someone pokes the CRK cult the resulting flailing is always the best.

 

[brancron]

It was great, but I didn't enjoy it quite as much as the Cold Steel Sebenza lock test video. Watching the fan boys lose their minds over that one was hilarious. As I recall it was this sort of gibbering:

"The test was faked!"
"Everything about the Sebenza is perfect, and the finely tuned RIL fails at four pounds of pressure as a safety precaution to ensure the knife is unharmed if you use it improperly."
"Why does anyone care if knives lock in the first place?"

Greg, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I discovered a "final piece" of the Britton/Kizer controversy that I thought you might be interested in: https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/...al_piece_of_the_kizertim_britton_controversy/

 

[evilgreg]

Greg, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I discovered a "final piece" of the Britton/Kizer controversy that I thought you might be interested in: https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/...al_piece_of_the_kizertim_britton_controversy/

No, I hadn't seen that. I'm not quietly lurking on Reddit, I quit the site altogether. Thanks, though, that was an interesting read. I'm not surprised at all to find yet another example of Tim Britton being proved a dishonest fellow.