Chipped my NMFBM

Too bad they didn't keep the original INFI formula with nitrogen and cobalt. That original INFI never chipped like that, you would just have to smooth out a roll. I would love for them to come out with some knives in "INFI-Classic" that used runs of knives made from the original INFI formula with nitrogen and cobalt.

INFI, new or old is tough stuff and easy to grind and sharpen; there is nothing better with which to do heavy knife demolition. This concept of "smoothing out a roll" is kind of bogus IMO. Once a metal has bent past the point of rebound (like a rolled edge), it has moved from an elastic to a plastic deformation and the inter atomic bonds have been disrupted until the steel is annealed (reheated)(fyi that is why we heat or anneal reloading brass after several firings). The plastic deformation and broken inter atomic bonds can ironically create an increase in hardness (this is the concept behind the "4 inches of cold rolled steel" in the Game Of Thrones gates at the wall for my fellow nerds), but the increase in hardness comes at the expense of decrease ductility which means that its tolerance to being bent back into shape is decreased. A simple way to put this is ... once a steel edge has rolled, it is permanently altered in an undesirable way and the roll has to ground out or removed in order to replace a full strength edge. Try bending a coat hanger back and fourth a few times to the point of permanent deformation; you can see it stress, fracture and eventually it will break at the bend.
Now I the advantage of INFI, again IMO, is that the rolls that we tend to get with INFI are longer, but more shallow that a "V" shaped chips that less tough steels tend to get. A broad but shallow roll is definitely easier than a short deep chip to repair.
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What was the edge profile on it ? Thin ? How many degrees ?

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INFI, new or old is tough stuff and easy to grind and sharpen; there is nothing better with which to do heavy knife demolition. This concept of "smoothing out a roll" is kind of bogus IMO. Once a metal has bent past the point of rebound (like a rolled edge), it has moved from an elastic to a plastic deformation and the inter atomic bonds have been disrupted until the steel is annealed (reheated)(fyi that is why we heat or anneal reloading brass after several firings). The plastic deformation and broken inter atomic bonds can ironically create an increase in hardness (this is the concept behind the "4 inches of cold rolled steel" in the Game Of Thrones gates at the wall for my fellow nerds), but the increase in hardness comes at the expense of decrease ductility which means that its tolerance to being bent back into shape is decreased. A simple way to put this is ... once a steel edge has rolled, it is permanently altered in an undesirable way and the roll has to ground out or removed in order to replace a full strength edge. Try bending a coat hanger back and fourth a few times to the point of permanent deformation; you can see it stress, fracture and eventually it will break at the bend.
Now I the advantage of INFI, again IMO, is that the rolls that we tend to get with INFI are longer, but more shallow that a "V" shaped chips that less tough steels tend to get. A broad but shallow roll is definitely easier than a short deep chip to repair.
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In regards to your stropping mention

https://scienceofsharp.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/what-does-stropping-do/
 

Fabulous link thanks for sharing, I love to learn new stuff from articles like this. I am not sure the mechanics that they discuss regarding that 5micrometer chip viewed under a scanning electron microscope (the scale on the lower images is in nanometers!) translate effectively to a larger macroscopic edge roll, but these things are fun to think about.
 
Fabulous link thanks for sharing, I love to learn new stuff from articles like this. I am not sure the mechanics that they discuss regarding that 5micrometer chip viewed under a scanning electron microscope (the scale on the lower images is in nanometers!) translate effectively to a larger macroscopic edge roll, but these things are fun to think about.
Yeah I thought that was a pretty cool article, Spyderphreak had shared it earlier this week.
Lots of info and large words, but very interesting
 
Go beat on some more nails and sharpen out the dings. The steel behind the factory edge will get better and better the more you use and sharpen it.
 
Go beat on some more nails and sharpen out the dings. The steel behind the factory edge will get better and better the more you use and sharpen it.

I swear i wasn't trying to take your advice. I'm just that special..........

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I accidentally gave him a friend...Oh well, she's my beater Busse anyway
 
I wouldn't sharpen it -- -- maybe hone it and get back to chopping. I would recommend fully using and abusing the rest of the edge --- after it's been brutally abused and used -- reprofile it. It's still golden!!
 
Yeah I thought that was a pretty cool article, Spyderphreak had shared it earlier this week.
Lots of info and large words, but very interesting

Thanks for the mention! :thumbup: That guy is doing some really cool stuff, that until now, was strictly left to academia and big companies, where it didn't get shared with the rest of the world on any kind of scale. It'd be great to see someone doing that get a grant and share it with the world! :cool: I'd be all over something like that!!!

I swear i wasn't trying to take your advice. I'm just that special..........

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I accidentally gave him a friend...Oh well, she's my beater Busse anyway

Lol, that's what my beater NMFSH looked like after 2 years of relentless beatings. Some rolls, a few small chips. Let it get to the point where you can't stand it anymore, and then just sharpen it out.
 
I wouldn't sharpen it -- -- maybe hone it and get back to chopping. I would recommend fully using and abusing the rest of the edge --- after it's been brutally abused and used -- reprofile it. It's still golden!!

Lol, that's what my beater NMFSH looked like after 2 years of relentless beatings. Some rolls, a few small chips. Let it get to the point where you can't stand it anymore, and then just sharpen it out.

Will do, only I will send it back to the factory when the Custom Shop opens back up for a zero edge and a satin finish!
 
I have a belt sander. A few passes per side, and you are good. I also have a coarse stone, and plenty of sandpaper and a glass sheet, and rubber backing.

I'd just sharpen it out and go back to work.++
 
I have a belt sander. A few passes per side, and you are good. I also have a coarse stone, and plenty of sandpaper and a glass sheet, and rubber backing.

I'd just sharpen it out and go back to work. I usually wait for my first ding or nick to re-profile to the angle and edge I want.
 
I swear i wasn't trying to take your advice. I'm just that special..........

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I accidentally gave him a friend...Oh well, she's my beater Busse anyway

Sweeeet!

There's some lovin' going on there!

What can look like chips are often little areas that are torn out when the edge strikes a stationary piece of steel at angle under high impact.

If the size of the suspected "chip" is nearly identical in size and radius of the steel impacted, then with INFI, it is most likely torn and not chipped. Chips are typically smaller or much larger than the steel impacted.

Make sense? If not, drink heavily, read again..... Repeat......

Beat it like you stole it and then send her in and we'll make here pretty again!

Lets drink!!!

Jerry
 
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Sweeeet!

There's some lovin' going on there!

What can look like chips are often little areas that are torn out when the edge strikes a stationary piece of steel at angle under high impact.

If the size of the suspected "chip" is nearly identical in size and radius of the steel impacted, then with INFI, it is most likely torn and not chipped. Chips are typically smaller or much larger than the steel impacted.

Make sense? If not, drink heavily, read again..... Repeat......

Beat it like you stole it and then send her in and we'll make here pretty again!

Lets drink!!!

Jerry

Oops, sorry for calling the love marks "chips" Bossman! They were created exactly as you described! Thanks for the sound advice and reassurance ya got my back :thumbup: :thumbup:

I'm reluctant to send her to the shop just because i use her basically every night for making kindling. One of these days I will send her to the shop to get prettied up :)

Cheers!! :cool:
 
The steel behind the factory edge will get better and better the more you use and sharpen it.

This. After I first got my Fat ASH1.......it was used in a lot of digging work into the ground. I had a factory edge, and after an hour or so, it had a lot of tiny nicks all along the edge just like what's shown here.

I took it to my work sharp for several passes and it cleaned right up. Took it back out for more of the same work and this time, very few nicks. Few more passes on the work sharp. Its been beaten ridiculously ever since and no more nicks or dings.

Beat....sharpen....repeat. After that.......

Beat.....repeat!
 
Sweeeet!

There's some lovin' going on there!

What can look like chips are often little areas that are torn out when the edge strikes a stationary piece of steel at angle under high impact.

If the size of the suspected "chip" is nearly identical in size and radius of the steel impacted, then with INFI, it is most likely torn and not chipped. Chips are typically smaller or much larger than the steel impacted.

Make sense? If not, drink heavily, read again..... Repeat......

Beat it like you stole it and then send her in and we'll make here pretty again!

Lets drink!!!

Jerry

And this is why I buy Busse's. :)
 
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