Choils

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Let's talk choils. Some hate them, I love them 3/4 of my knives have choils, that's great!
Ok, what is your favorite knife with a choil? Folder or fixed it's all good.
For folders mine is the Bodega followed by the Domino. Fixed, Bradford and you really have no choice on a Bradford to use the choil which I am totally fine with. We all enjoy pics so show yours!
My choil knives minus a Bradford G3 it's in my truck I didn't feel like going to get it for the pic.
 
ehh depends on the knife, folders i prefer not to have one, nice to have on a larger fixed blade though...
 
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Here are my two most used choil knives.

It honestly just depends on the knife. It's overall features. Take for example the XM-18. They just came out with a choil-less 3.5 and I honestly wouldn't mind owning one though the choil version is just as good.
 
In general I like finger choils on folders as it increases grip options, and effects the balance.
Examples: progression small to large Dragonfly, PM2, Millie

I also like finger choils on fixed blades for the same reasons as folders. To a larger effect, the balance of knives in the 5" plus range.
Example: ESSE-6

That said I have nothing against a knife that does not have a finger choil, provided it does not have other characteristics/features that prevent me from comfortably gripping up on the handle (thumb ramps are a example of characteristics that are prohibitive to functions I use a knife for) to get pressure into to cut directly above the medium being cut (working a piece of wood for example), as I find moving back from directly above the cut creates leverage that works against me.
 
Put me in the pro choil camp. I never feel like I would miss the inch or so of blade space at the heel of the edge. There are so many advantages though; it acts as a safety against lock failure so your finger stops the blade. It also makes it so you cab sharpen the entire length of the edge.
 
In my opinion, choils are a waste of blade length and are a lazy design. 9/10 times a knife can have a better blade:handle ratio and work in the same manner as a choil. However, some people apparently enjoy having their grip 2" away from the cutting edge with 3.5" of blade length and a 6" handle.
 
In my opinion, choils are a waste of blade length and are a lazy design. 9/10 times a knife can have a better blade:handle ratio and work in the same manner as a choil. However, some people apparently enjoy having their grip 2" away from the cutting edge with 3.5" of blade length and a 6" handle.

Your index finger should rest within the choil, not behind it. Does that change your opinion of the choil?
 
Luv the idea that choils provide for a more secure grip
Or aids in grip orientation.
But the radius and distance between each finger choil
Affects the effectiveness in which it is held.
More often than not,
in particular - by one's own hand size in relation
To a fixed particular set of finger choils.
I like finger choils which affords
The ability for a knife to be held
In an ice pick/reverse grip
Besides the regular forward thrusting stance.
A knife Without this ability
Isn't going to make my top pick.
And then there is the matter of
Comfortable gripping minus all the hot spots.
So at the very worst, a single finger choil or two
Might work out best in general.
I'ld pick the cold steel counter point.
And also the mini tuff lite for having brilliantly
Created a full sized handle (thanks to its forward finger choil)
In a small package.
Even Though I suppose,
It means of having to sacrifice usable blade length.
 
Your index finger should rest within the choil, not behind it. Does that change your opinion of the choil?

My point exactly. Why make a grip where you have an extra inch or two of extra handle? Like I said a better blade:handle ratio makes more sense in my opinion.
 
If a handle is designed properly, then you can "choke up" by holding the handle. I can "choke up" on a puukko, for instance, without needing a massive divot in the base of the blade.

Sharpening choils, like what you see on traditional folders, actually make sense since they help keep the blade shape consistent over time and are small enough to not interfere with cutting tasks.
 
Luv the idea that choils provide for a more secure grip
Or aids in grip orientation.
But the radius and distance between each finger choil
Affects the effectiveness in which it is held.
More often than not,
in particular - by one's own hand size in relation
To a fixed particular set of finger choils.
I like finger choils which affords
The ability for a knife to be held
In an ice pick/reverse grip
Besides the regular forward thrusting stance.
A knife Without this ability
Isn't going to make my top pick.
And then there is the matter of
Comfortable gripping minus all the hot spots.
So at the very worst, a single finger choil or two
Might work out best in general.
I'ld pick the cold steel counter point.
And also the mini tuff lite for having brilliantly
Created a full sized handle (thanks to its forward finger choil)
In a small package.
Even Though I suppose,
It means of having to sacrifice usable blade length.


I think they are talking about choils at the heel of the blade rather than on the handle its self. If we are talking handle finger grooves I hate them because they limit my grip.
 
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Here are my two most used choil knives.

It honestly just depends on the knife. It's overall features. Take for example the XM-18. They just came out with a choil-less 3.5 and I honestly wouldn't mind owning one though the choil version is just as good.

I have those two and agree on the XM18. I have the choil and wouldn't mind the non choil.
 
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My point exactly. Why make a grip where you have an extra inch or two of extra handle? Like I said a better blade:handle ratio makes more sense in my opinion.

RE: "Why make a grip where you have an extra inch or two of extra handle?"
Balance.
By "make a grip where you have an extra inch or two of extra handle", I am reading this to mean moving the hand forward on the knife ..., effectively making the blade feel lighter in the hand whilst working and moving, effectively reducing fatigue over repetitive tasks and potentially increasing production and/or enjoyment of the tools use. The same principle behind a pommel, and how its reward weight affects the balance of the blade relative to the hand.

Based on your dislike of a finger choils, I think what you really mean to say is a better cutting-edge:handle ratio makes more sense to you ...? and as finger-choils tend to take up cutting-edge length that affects your ratio negatively ...?

We all use our tools for differing things, and I can respect what works for you :-)


If a handle is designed properly, then you can "choke up" by holding the handle. I can "choke up" on a puukko, for instance, without needing a massive divot in the base of the blade.

Sharpening choils, like what you see on traditional folders, actually make sense since they help keep the blade shape consistent over time and are small enough to not interfere with cutting tasks.

I agree, no need for a finger choil on a puukko, as the design lends itself to getting right up behind the cut.

I disagree on sharpening choils. It has been my experience that if a sharpening choil is needed post-production to "help keep the blade shape consistent over time" that the primary grind has not effectively been profiled to the ricasso. In this case I would sooner fix the primary grind, or allow the secondary grind to ride high as it approaches the ricasso (yes, arguably ugly in appearance but I would prefer this to a sharpening choil relief at the blades edge), or leave that very short section unsharpened to the apex. This will take extra time and patience during the first re-setting of the secondary bevel (so as not to induce a recurve, etc., etc.), but also is an excellent example of what to look for when selecting one knife over another of the same model (I would choose a knife with scratches to the blade and/or other cosmetic issues over a knife with poor primary grinds). A sharpening choil is to me a bandaid that can not later be fixed (can't later put metal back ...). This is in no way to say my way is the right way, it's just my preference based on my experiences. I respect your opinions, as they work for you ;-)
 
It seems like several of us have these two knives. I carry both the Bradford Guardian3 and a folder every day.
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Yes, it's funny because it has a smaller cutting edge than most of the folders it gets carried with but for some reason it just feels perfect.
 
yep buddy I don't know much about choils but it dont seem like it could hurt. why not!
 
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