Choils

I understand having a well placed sharpening notch. A lot of traditionals and victorinox knives have them. Don't really like em for myself but I understand them. I understand half coils designed like what spyderco does where there's a transition from the blade to the pivot where the guard is to the finger grooves. It makes a knife really easy to use in multiple ways. What I don't understand are knives like strider or hinderer blades where there's just a big crescent removed from the cutting edge. I think that's piss poor design and laziness from the maker and people that buy them don't really want a blade as long as what the knife is listed as or else they'd just buy one with a cutting edge that long. I don't understand at all a knife with a 3.5 inch blade and a 2.5 inch edge. But whatever, to each his own, no matter how stupid. Why not buy a knife with an 8 inch blade and four finger grooves cut into the first four inches, you know, just in case you want to choke up for detailed work?
 
I can take them or leave them. Choil or no choil isn't a priority for me.
 
My point exactly. Why make a grip where you have an extra inch or two of extra handle? Like I said a better blade:handle ratio makes more sense in my opinion.


Exactly.

I will never understand choils. I have owned a few in the early days Strider, ZT, spyderco ect) but I will never own a knife with a choil ever again. Makes no sense to me.
 
My point exactly. Why make a grip where you have an extra inch or two of extra handle? Like I said a better blade:handle ratio makes more sense in my opinion.

If a handle is designed properly, then you can "choke up" by holding the handle. I can "choke up" on a puukko, for instance, without needing a massive divot in the base of the blade.

Sharpening choils, like what you see on traditional folders, actually make sense since they help keep the blade shape consistent over time and are small enough to not interfere with cutting tasks.

These are my feelings as well.

My thought is that if you need a choil cut into the blade edge to "choke up" to the work, then you have what I would call an improperly designed/sized handle. Also, the choil is almost by definition, an inferior point of contact on the knife, as the handle scales almost never go all the way forward to the front of the choil (because if they did, it wouldn't be a choil, it would be a finger groove). The lack of girth of the handle around the choil reduces comfort in longer duration's of cutting, or in heavy cutting tasks (less surface area to distribute the force, so it gets concentrated on your index finger). Also, because of that reduction in handle surface area, you generally have less traction, increasing your chance of slipping forward onto the cutting edge.

I also find them akward when I want to use the full handle (for the previously mentioned hard cutting, or when I've been using the knife for a long time). I find the huge distance between the real handle, and the cutting edge cumbersome. If it helps, I find this problem with knives that have large ricassos as well. As a large ricasso is functionally similar to a knife with a finger choil, just without the notch (its just flat). So I also like my first finger close to the cutting action, I just don't feel that choils are the best way to do that.

That said, I can see a purpose for finger choils on some folders. Where, in order to get a proper handle length, with a small blade length, you might have to make some of the handle be in the portion of the knife that folds (ie, the blade). Also, broadly speaking (yes, I know there are plenty of exceptions to this), folding knives are commonly used for cutting tasks that are either shorter in duration, or not quite as hard, so the lack of real handle in that area isn't as much of a negative as it could be otherwise.

Finally though, its no big deal to me if people want them/prefer them. Doesn't bother me in the least. And its not like I find a knife with a finger choil unusable, I just don't prefer them.
 
My thought is that if you need a choil cut into the blade edge to "choke up" to the work, then you have what I would call an improperly designed/sized handle.

I completely disagree with this statement...I doubt you are at all into bushcrafting as tasks similar to those incountered in bushcrafting require precision cuts and notches that are awkward to accomplish with a bigger knife without the aid of either a choil or a ricasso groove

You may wonder what the differance between a choil and a ricasso groove is... go back a page in this thread last post of that page
 
I completely disagree with this statement...I doubt you are at all into bushcrafting as tasks similar to those incountered in bushcrafting require precision cuts and notches that are awkward to accomplish with a bigger knife without the aid of either a choil or a ricasso groove

You may wonder what the differance between a choil and a ricasso groove is... go back a page in this thread last post of that page

That's fine, you can disagree with my opinion. Just as I disagree with your opinion, and assessment of me. Doesn't bother me at all.

I'm no ray mears, but I'm not a total stranger to cutting notches, or other bushcrafty tasks. And for a ling time my preference was larger knives. I still feel the same way about choils though. In my experience they get in the way. And for what people claim they are best used for, I prefer a handle that goes to the edge, even on larger blades.

For the last bit, which post number were you referring to? I've got my number of posts per page changed from the default setting which can make page references like this tricky to find.

And, for what its worth, I should have mentioned it before, but I've been using the term choil usually where I should be using "finger choil". Sharpening choils (also called the "Spanish notch" I believe), I've got no problem with. I should have mentioned that before.
 
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