Chris Reeve Green Beret Video Desrtuction Test Completed

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DaveH said:
CRK won't comment I'm 99.99 percent sure.

Anyway I'll paypal some buck towards an CRK A2 knife test.
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Thats cool of you David. If you do then I say thanks in advance. :) I would love to test a CRK A2. :thumbup:

Liam Ryan: The Ranger should be fun. I won't ask for a new one. :)

vwb563: I won't be able to test another for a while if I do.
 
kiahs: yea the exposed metal around the handle is not very comfortable during impact work. I had some heavy gloves on also. I guess it is possible I got a bad one this can happen I guess. I can't afford to buy another to find out.

The S&W didn't do to bad. If it would have had a better tang it would have gone longer I think.
 
Do you guys realize how serious this thing is?

This is specnaz tool and people who are going to real battle on a daily bases equipped with it. Is it only me who see this? This is not kitchen tool this is personal emergency weapon for elite solders!

Thanks to Noss4 this is exposed, to me this is a red flag and all knives which given to real operators at least need to be inspected - this is not mall ninja toy!

Thanks, Vassili.
 
As always nice test noss!
This knife is Embarrassment for the American marketing:mad: Although I love the Appearance:D
 
As pointed out by another poster, there should be no real surprise as Cliff Stamp essentially had similar results.

I'll pony up $40 for Noss4 to test a CRK A-2 steel model. Anody else willing? If we had 5 or 6 people at $40 each we get there.
 
I (still) question the real usefulness of tests where a knife clamped in a vise is hit with a hammer.
 
Broos said:
I (still) question the real usefulness of tests where a knife clamped in a vise is hit with a hammer.
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I don't see how this is much different from clamping a folder into a vise and put load on the blade with a hydraulic press? And yet this is exactly how all Spyderco folders get tested during the design stage. The whole point of destructive testing is to find the point where the piece fails. The judgement of whether that point comes too early or late enough is still up to you. The point of failure is only information, nothing else. However, if you compare what others, similarly priced, fixed blades can endure, and considering that this knife design doesn't really have other redeeming features, you begin to wonder what you are suppose to pay for.

Compare it to the topend speed of a car. I am sure you would question the purpose of $150.000 Porsche that doesn't go faster than 110 mi/h even though you may never drive that fast. Simply because there are plenty of other $150.000 cars that go more than twice as fast and because you can buy a car for $20.000 that goes faster than 110 mi/h. If that Porsche doesn't have other redeeming features such as gas milage, comfort etc. it seems hard to justify a price of $150.000, even though you may not have any use for that topend speed.
 
nice work noss.
I have pried with a knife and punched through metla in a jam so I see this as a real possibility.
 
Thanks for another great test NossHog !
How I wish to see a Fehrman knife in action! Can't wait to see some 3V being abused. If I carry fixed blade I want it to be sturdy enough to pry with. For me it's quite normal use for a fixed blade knife in the field and I've done it many times with my fixed blades. I'm quite suprised the GB gave in so quickly.
 
I'm not at all surprised. Cliff already did this and said the same thing. The stuff about the possibility of a bad heat treatment is a long shot, seeing as how Cliff's performed similarly.

The GB is a silly figurehead of a knife. I want to see the real Reeve fixed blades tested: the one piece A2 series. I have a feeling they would do admirably.

Thanks for the information, Noss. Your tests are very appreciated.
 
Thanks for another great test Noss. Personally I'm not surprised with the outcome, I never thought s30v would work well in a large knife, but I do believe it is a great steel for folders. I can't wait to see the RD7 and the Dogfather put through the paces.

To all the critics, if you don't like the way Noss tests then don't watch his videos. Spare us your banter, we all realize that this is not the way knives are meant to be used. Many of us want to know exactly how much abuse our knives can take before we strap them on and head into the field. Almost every company will shovel you BS about how tough and strong and reliable their knives are, but Noss gives us the truth. Every knife has its limits and he is only showing us those limits. You should be thankful for the free education.
 
Would anyone say that this knife could be classified as a "Combat" knife and not so much a "utility"?

With its thin profile maybe this knife was not intended to be used like a KA-Bar. If I needed to carry a knife into combat that was going to be used primarily as a weapon, I would want it thin and light and very sharp. Such a tip that is meant for stabbing, would break easier than a tip that was meant for different uses. Compare the tip of a fillet knife to the tip of a Busse or KA-Bar.

I hope this post comes accross like I mean it to. Im not sure it is. Im not trying to defend the knife, just pointing out the fact that specialzed knives are designed with a particular task in mind.
 
Your welcome everyone for the test. I'll obtain a CRK A-2 steel for a destruction test here soon and see how it holds up.

Ottoshot: Thats a good question. The CR GB is a fairly robust knife compared to the Kabar. It could be classified as both a fighter or utility blade.
 
Can someone explain the knife design to me? It seems a little tacky. the blade is straight, with a spear point, yet the handle is curved and seems to have ergonomics made for a drop point. It seems the knife should either have a drop point, with the same handle, or keep the spear point, and make a straight handle, if it is to be used for stabbing.

It just seems... as I said, tacky. Even with a different blade steel it wouldn't make sense... Plus the serrations just look pointless.
 
Sevorius said:
Thanks for another great test Noss. Personally I'm not surprised with the outcome, I never thought s30v would work well in a large knife, but I do believe it is a great steel for folders. I can't wait to see the RD7 and the Dogfather put through the paces.

To all the critics, if you don't like the way Noss tests then don't watch his videos. Spare us your banter, we all realize that this is not the way knives are meant to be used. Many of us want to know exactly how much abuse our knives can take before we strap them on and head into the field. Almost every company will shovel you BS about how tough and strong and reliable their knives are, but Noss gives us the truth. Every knife has its limits and he is only showing us those limits. You should be thankful for the free education.
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+1 I am not a big fan of S30V to begin with, but even it's fans tout it's claim to fame as being edge retention, with that being attained at higher hardnesses than CRK runs.

At those high hardnesses, S30V starts to get complaints for being brittle and chipping. To run it at a sub-optimal hardness to try improve it's toughness and sacrifice it's edge holding in the process seems silly to me- use a tougher steel run at it's optimal hardness.

Yes, I'm nobody except an avid student of knives, but I think this was bound to show up, as makers jumped on the boutique steel of the day even when it wasn't the right choice for the particular use.

To be honest, I respected CRK enough to figure they knew something I didn't. And to be fair, they are far from being the only company selling large "survival/tactical" type knives made with S30V. To me, even without the other drawbacks, it's too difficult to sharpen to make a good survival knife anyway.

Thanks, Noss, for another good test.
 
There's a long thread from 2006 here that midst the mud slinging discusses the CRK GB in length: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384825

It explains the history and facts behind the knife and the S30V steel. Participants include such key figures as GB designer Bill Harsey and S30V designer Dick Barber from Crucible Steel.


I, like many am puzzled at the brittle seeming behaviour and the handle design. Bill Harsey mentions the idea behind the handle but I find myself in disagreement with his logic and agreeing with the observations from testers like Noss4 and C.S.


Thanks Noss4 for the test. Much appreciated.
 
noss4 said:
Thats cool of you David. If you do then I say thanks in advance. :) I would love to test a CRK A2. :thumbup:

Liam Ryan: The Ranger should be fun. I won't ask for a new one. :)

vwb563: I won't be able to test another for a while if I do.
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If a knifemaker is confident in his design and steel then THEY should be SENDING NOSS their knives to be tested (abused? molested?)
Period...End of story
I find it pretty funny how CS gets so much flack for being "junk" and generates a "Are CS knives any good?" thread with 1200 replies yet it outperforms some 300 dollar knife in this one test :thumbup:

On the other hand
This is anecdotal evidence
Too small of a sampling pool to make any real judgment IMHO
But..thanks for sharing the results with us===>
Potential consumers can decipher the results them selves :thumbup:

How about testing one of them there Damascus blades?
I think those blades are butt ugly and overpriced
(Then again again some people rub Guldens Spicy Brown mustard and apple vinegar on their knives too....whadda ya gonna do?!)
The steel is supposed to be stronger right?

Have you ever tested any bayonets?
I swear my Conetta M7 has a thick a$$ blade ;)
I think it may even pass your vise test :eek:
 
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