Cigarettes and Smoking

Ironman,

If you are in fact thinking of starting smoking now...STOP THINKING ABOUT IT!!! DO NOT START!!!

I have seen firsthand what smoking does to the human body and how it kills. It destroys your lungs. You smell bad...all the time. You waste money (that you could be spending on knives!). Your fingers and nails turn yellow from the tar and nicotine. You have bad breath constantly. You are out of breath and find it difficult to breate doing simple things.

Do you really want to do this to yourself?

Wake up and listen to what people are telling you.

DO NOT START SMOKING!!!
 
Start doing the math. 1) Do you enjoy smoking? Be really serious and honest with yourself. Answer that one yourself, you need not tell anyone else.

Okay, now figure out how much you smoke per day, and add up the total cost for the year. Multiply that by 10 years. How much money does this total up to?

Now go back to the original question, Do you enjoy smoking, and was the money worth it?

Which would you enjoy more, spending the money on smokes or knives? I am sure that over the course of a year, that could buy a few really nice knives. Over 10 years that could be a big payment on a new vehicle, or perhaps some fine handguns and rifles. Not including more fine knives, and a wild boar hunt or two.

I am not trying to sway you away from smoking, if that is your desire. I am only pointing out, that the money could go to some nice toys, rather than a pile of ashes.

I used to smoke in my younger years, but now I only enjoy a cigar once in awhile. I enjoy the cigar alot more, since I may only have one or two a week, and often less than that in winter.

What you want to do is entirely your choice.
 
Ironman, you're gonna eventually need to change your user name........

IRONLUNG:eek:
 
Ironman said:
my health problems are chronic
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Welcome to the club. I'm diabetic and crippled.

Stephen Hawking is paralyzed by Lou Gehrig's disease but he's considered on Einstein's level as a world-famous physicist.

The world is populated by imperfect people. Some imperfections are more serious than others. Why add to the burden?
 
I quit cigarettes a little over 20 years ago. At the time I was smoking close to 4 packs of Camel Filters a day. I went cold turkey, it wasn't easy but I haven't had one since.

I did not feel bad when I quit and noticed no improvement after I quit. A little disappointing.

DO NOT START SMOKING!!!

Win
 
I've been smoking off and on for 16 years, the on and off was at the beginning. For ten years now I've been at a pack a day of camel filters. Hard pack if you got 'em. Trying to quit right now just cause. If the damned things weren't so good I would have quit years ago. I love a cigarette after a good meal, with a beer, and just as a break when I need one, its never been a social thing for me.
 
moonwilson said:
Don't listen to all these guys man, they secretly want all of the cigarettes for themselves. Everybody knows that smoking is cool, and that it will get you chicks. Starting smoking at 34 just means that you're a rebel, a free thinker, and that you don't give a rat's ass about popular opinion. Make up your own mind, don't listen to all of this whiny doctor BS.

As for all of these quitters, just remember that a quitter never wins, and a winner never quits!

I smoke Parliament Lights, fire them up with a good ol' Bic (the childproof thingy removed with utmost disdain). Smoking rules.

Every time I light up, it's a big "F-U" to the nanny state losers that want to tell me what to do. Be an American. Be a man. Fire up a smoke, chug a beer, eat a steak, and hold your head up high.
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I hope you're being sarcastic. Ther're no rolling eye smilies. Maybe I'm missing the boat here. If you are being sarcastic, skip the next 5 paragraphs, and I owe you an apology. If not, and you are serious, read on.

I realize that you have a right to your own opinion, and the right to express it. So do I - that that has got to be one of the most screwed up responses that I have ever seen.

A while back i started a thread asking why, in light of overwhelming medical evidence of the destructive nature of smoking cigarettes, do smokers (on thie forum) continue to smoke.

One of the answers, was "a quitter never wins, and a winner never quits." Taken in the context that it was issued, the same context that you used, is pure mule fritters. Cigarettes one of the very few products sold that, when used as intended, will eventually cause injury, disease, and or death.

Not only for you, but for those around you as well. AFAIC, smoking around children is child abuse.

Eat a steak? Great! Chug a beer? Excellent! (as long as you don't drive drunk.) Fire up a smoke? Not me. I'm an American, I hold my head up high, and I'm still a man. Smoking does not make you a man. No matter what ignorant 13 year olds will tell you.

Ironman said:
Why? Well, that is one tall order of a question, I hear a lot of why not. But, I am not like most of you. I do not have my health. I likely will not live long enough to care about retirement. I have no family, my last caring relative recently died. I have not one friend who is real (not internet only). My wife left me. I don't have a job to meet anyone due to my health. I used to smoke for a long time, and I always missed it. At this point, I don't feel the risks matter. I have nothing to live for anyway, and even if I did, my health problems are chronic. Life sucks. So, if you have no friends, no job, no family, no options to change anything, you are going to die from your health problems already, why not? I am contributing more to humanity by buying smokes, giving the workers jobs at several levels, than not. I have been told I am crazy, they said they were serious. Maybe I am.
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Ironman,

Please, please, PLEASE, go to your local community mental health center, and ask to talk to someone about your state of mind. If you have no job, arrangements can be made to where the cost can be reduced or eliminated completely. You don't have to suffer through this!

You do have something to live for. You just can't see it right now.

Smoking will only complicate your health problems.

Don't worry about the Tobacco companies. They've got plenty of money. They don't worry about you, or any of the other people that are addicted to cigatettes. Your addiction to cigarettes will only help fill up the gas tanks of the Rolls Royces that the board members drive.
 
Like I said cigarettes are insidiously addictive on the mental and physical level. But all it takes is that one cigarette to get you back on track to lung cancer. I quit for 2 years and thought "I'll just have a drag or two." that was 2 years and 8000 cigarettes ago. I do smoke tha American Spirits, which have no nasty chemicals, but that doesn't offset the nicotine and cancer by any means. Of course I want to quit, but it is a hard addiction to break, actually going out for one now....Damn it!!!
 
Centaur said:
I hope you're being sarcastic. Ther're no rolling eye smilies. Maybe I'm missing the boat here. If you are being sarcastic, skip the next 5 paragraphs, and I owe you an apology.
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I was being sarcastic. No apology necessary. If you read my next posting in the thread, I came right out and said I was being sarcastic. And I suggested Ironman seek help for his apparent depression, which I think is clear that he would probably benefit from (as I have).

Depression is a serious problem, and should be addressed. Treatment saves and improves lives (mine included).

I am a smoker, but I would never seriously try to convince anyone else to pick up the habit. Unless I didn't like them. Then I might.

Ironman, get some Effexor, bro! It'll fix you right up. You can get out of the hole you feel that you are in.
 
moonwilson said:
I was being sarcastic. No apology necessary. If you read my next posting in the thread, I came right out and said I was being sarcastic.
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Guess I didn't see that. D'ogh! Just call me Captain Obvious! ;)

But you gotta admit, you don't see the term "mule fritters" often! :D
 
I quit almost 4 years ago, after smoking for 35 years. My doc had just done my physical. Instead of fussing me out about it, she said that I'd probably live another 40 years or more. But that she couldn't promise me it would be worth doing. Very different from telling me that smoking was going to kill me. And I didn't want to think about living 35 or 40 years hauling bottled oxygen around and gasping. So I quit. Used patches. And www.quitsmokinonline.com I recommend the website to any current smoker-even if you don't especially want to quit. It's something to think about.
 
ilbruche said:
Like I said cigarettes are insidiously addictive on the mental and physical level. But all it takes is that one cigarette to get you back on track to lung cancer. I quit for 2 years and thought "I'll just have a drag or two." that was 2 years and 8000 cigarettes ago. I do smoke tha American Spirits, which have no nasty chemicals, but that doesn't offset the nicotine and cancer by any means. Of course I want to quit, but it is a hard addiction to break, actually going out for one now....Damn it!!!
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Unfortunately, the really dangerous chemicals are the nicotine and tars present in all burned tobacco. Using these "health Food" cigarettes is just the way addicted hippies excuse their lack of self control.
 
There's been a lot of stuff said here, already. But, I'll still offer my own observations and experiences, just in case they add some more weight. I was extremely fortunate. When I was about sixteen my buddy Ralph and I holed up in his basement with a pack of Winstons one evening, when his folks were out and smoked up the whole pack. Both of us puked our guts out when the pack was done. I can't speak for Ralphie, since I haven't seen him for decades, but I haven't touched a cigarette since then.

My Dad had a heart-attack when he was about two years younger than I am now. His doctor told him, while he was still in the hospital, "I'll just put it to you like this, Bob, you can quit cigarettes now, while you have a choice, or I'll come to your funeral next year." My Dad quit cigarettes and changed his life in other ways and hasn't looked back. He's still alive, 25 years later, but he's had to have two bypass operations and has gone through a series of minor strokes. But, he's alive. He says "Any day your eyes pop open and your feet swing out over the side of the bed and hit the floor is a good day." That's just his way of trying to overlook all the other crap he has to go through with his health, all because of cigarettes.

My Mom's parents both smoked alll their lives. My Grandfather died of lung cancer, which eventually spread throughout his whole upper body and brain before he died. That was terrible. My Grandmother died of emphysema. She was dragging around the oxygen tank for about two years before she went.

I say "Thank you God," every so often, for giving me the opportunity to quit before I ever really started cigarettes. I'm glad I puked my guts out on Ralphies basement floor.
 
I would like to thank you all for caring. BF folks are the best. Did you know that a BF member once donated a kidney to me? That is one nice guy! Unfortunately, the kidney failed in 2001. why? I couldn't afford the $3000, yeah three thousand! A month for the anti-rejection pills. So, here I am again.

Get out and meet people? Why didn't I think of that! Sorry, sarcasm. It's not really that easy, at least not for me. I would love to meet people. I don't know how, or where. I always met friends, and women, at work. Or through other friends. I got nothing jack. Sorry to bring the forums down with my post. A little bit of my story can be read at www.mixplix.blogspot.com I am trying to eventually get my whole life story posted there, it's pretty wild, and I want a record of it. There was even a guy who wanted to write about me once, but there was no happy ending.. :(
 
Too bad it's summertime.
I beat depression better in the cold weather myself.

November 18, 2006
at home depressed

there is a way to make it work
get up and kick it round the floor
then scream and shout and run about
and toss it out the door

and once you get outside yourself
to breathe the frosty misty air
you'll wonder when you sat inside
just why you weren't happy there

so take a hike
like, get a life
don't let the gray invade
the space inside your brain
you'll perk up fast with wind and rain
while wimpy sun and gentle shade
will only leave you lazy but never make you sane​
 
Here's a question.

Not trying to turn this into a battle or anything but ,
why is it when someone makes a Scotch thread , or fine Ale thread , nobody launches into a firestorm of the various evils and harms of alcohol ?

Yea tobacco is bad for ya , so is tap water , big city air and fast food.

I guess my point is that the original intent of this thread was for us silly rabbits that still smoke to share some info , not to be berated for our addiction.

So , with that , I'll leave all you alkie's alone with your 12 year old Scotch and fine ales.
:D
 
I think the difference is that drinking alcohol in moderation is not nearly as dangerous as any kind of smoking.
 
Ironman,prayers and best wishes sent.Not trying to be a smart ass,Because I have no Idea where your coming from,but there is always a positive (I think) though I understand at times it can be hard to find.Good luck with everything and Give up the cigarettes!
 
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