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Uff what did you think of the beans?

I didn't care much for the San Adolfo. It's roasted way too light for my taste and the beans are so hard that they may have chipped the burr in my grinder. ;)

I made the dapper again with a finer grind. It was much better and I liked it even though it too is on the light side.

I guess that I have just become used to a darker roast.
 
I feel your pain. Give me the dark stuff!!!

Sorry you guys didn't like them.:o In my Rok espresso machine the flavors stand out. They are not as tasty as they were from the coffee shops because of the crema but I can still taste the same flavors at home. I have yet to use them in my moka pot or press but I will probably agree with you.

The beans are very hard.:confused::eek:
 
Not that I didn't like it. I am use to the other end of the taste spectrum. I have never tasted "orange zest and cinnamon tones" in coffee. Maybe when my Aeropress arrives I will have a different opinion. I think it's just what we are use to. I have tried a lot of different coffees. Some are fantastic and others I would have rather just put my $$ in the grinder!
In the Army we had some nasty coffee. We had 2 camp peculators in our platoon of 4 tanks. It seemed like my loader and gunner were always making coffee. As soon as we stopped--- "We have time to cook a pot". You have never had good coffee until you tasted M1 Abrams exhaust coffee. :D

That started my addiction.
 
Heart Roasters, Guatemala Candelaria Peaberry.
Location: Alotenango, Guatemala.
Elevation: 4000-6200 ft.
Varietals: Bourbon, Caturra.
Tasting notes: Rasberry, red grapes, cocoa powder, molasses.
Process: Fully washed.
Roasted: Heart Roasters Portland, Oregon, 4/21/14.
Website: We begin with some of the best green coffee from mainly Central America, South America, and Africa. We roast our coffee to the ideal degree, while fully developing complex flavors, and bringing out delicate clarity. The coffee is then cupped in the lab and must pass the standard of excellence before reaching our customers. We believe that starting with quality green coffee enables us to put the care into the roasted coffee we serve—from the source to the final cup.

Smaller than the Ethiopian burboya 2 beans. A little over 1 serving size shot for my espresso machine.


Beans were hard but not as hard as the Ethiopian burboya 2. It took me a little over 2 minutes of furious hand grinding. I smell a light acidic citrus aroma.


Results. It tastes like wine. Acidic and fruity similar to wine.
 
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Sorry you guys didn't like them.:o In my Rok espresso machine the flavors stand out. They are not as tasty as they were from the coffee shops because of the crema but I can still taste the same flavors at home. I have yet to use them in my moka pot or press but I will probably agree with you.

The beans are very hard.:confused::eek:

The Dapper was good after I ground it finer for the AeroPress. I use a small Hario mill and I could barely turn the crank with the San Adolfo. Anyone who uses a hand operated mill
would know that light roasted bean are harder than dark.
 
Thanky you Cchu518 for these beans.

Ceremony Coffee roasters.
Country: Democratic Republic of Congo, Muungano, Kivu region.
Tasting notes: Fig and kiwi fruit aromatics. In cup, floral and marshmallow with orange marmalade juiciness.
Altitude: 5000 ft.- 6600 ft.
Varietals: Bourbon
Process: Washed
Roasted: 4/23/14
Website: The Muungano Coffee Cooperative in DRC produced this stunning, bright, new arrival off the shores of Lake Kivu. Muungano consists of 2,300 farmers who are committed to working together to produce beautiful coffee by investing in nurseries, local washing stations, and organic practices while sharing knowledge of varieties, shade trees, composting, and erosion control on their steep mountain sides.

Beans.


Grind. Light orange citrus aroma.


Taste. Orange citrus and something else I don't recognize.
 
Quite welcome! We've reserved the beans that you sent us for a little weekend treat, can't wait til Saturday to see what's next!
 
What are you guys roasting in? I've got some green beans from my guy in Bolivia, I want to play around with roasting them.
 
What are you guys roasting in? I've got some green beans from my guy in Bolivia, I want to play around with roasting them.

I used to use a popcorn air popper. I ran into an Ethiopian about 15 years ago who told me that he roasted his coffee in a dry cast iron skillet that he only used for coffee.
Basically, you keep stirring the beans until they reach the desired level of color and then cool them as quickly as possible. They will be very hot. Depending on the level
of roast, the beans will be around 400ºF to 425ºF. Also, the beans will crack when they reach about 400º and again when they reach about 425º. At this point, they can
burn very quickly. I would recommend that you do this outside. It can get messy and not everyone likes the smell of roasting coffee.

There is a lot of information on this site. http://www.homeroasters.org
 
What are you guys roasting in? I've got some green beans from my guy in Bolivia, I want to play around with roasting them.

Here is one way.

West Bend Air Crazy
West Bend Poppery II (1200 watt model) - a preferred model
Popcorn Pumper
Kitchen Gourmet (from Walgreens)
Toastmaster 6203West Bend Air Crazy
Presto Poplite (from Wal-mart - stock #s 04820*, 04821, and 114316)
Nostalgia Brand (Bath Bath & Beyond)
Toastess TCP-388 (also TCP-1)

How to link, http://www.sweetmarias.com/airpop/airpopmethod.php
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm in Bolivia, so I'll see what I can find. I heard rumor that one place in my city may actually sell hot air poppers. I'm going to try making it there today.
 
One thing too remember....don't try to roast too many beans at once.

Gotta find a machine first! I went looking 2 nights ago where they sell that sort if thing in our city, and found some odd chinese brand (we've got tons of that type of thing here) and they want almost $40 for it and it is cheapo!! No way I'll buy that one!

I think the only way will be for somebody to send one from the US. I use a few small appliances that we brought down years ago and we plug them into a transformer.

I may have to try the frying pan route until I can get a real popcorn popper. My friend down here tried it and roasted it crazy fast and ended up with burnt sides of the beans!

Have you roasted that way before? I know UffDa has since he mention it in post #291, do you have anything to add? I may go down to where they sell used clothes (that's our Walmart!) and they have used pots, pans, and utensils. Not ideal, but when that's all you have, you do what you have to do! I've seen cast iron skillets, normally they are fairly rusty, but I'll see what I can do to restore one!
 
Gotta find a machine first! I went looking 2 nights ago where they sell that sort if thing in our city, and found some odd chinese brand (we've got tons of that type of thing here) and they want almost $40 for it and it is cheapo!! No way I'll buy that one!

I think the only way will be for somebody to send one from the US. I use a few small appliances that we brought down years ago and we plug them into a transformer.

I may have to try the frying pan route until I can get a real popcorn popper. My friend down here tried it and roasted it crazy fast and ended up with burnt sides of the beans!

Have you roasted that way before? I know UffDa has since he mention it in post #291, do you have anything to add? I may go down to where they sell used clothes (that's our Walmart!) and they have used pots, pans, and utensils. Not ideal, but when that's all you have, you do what you have to do! I've seen cast iron skillets, normally they are fairly rusty, but I'll see what I can do to restore one!

A good used West Bend air popper can go for as much a $40 on eBay. Roasting the beans was a trial and error process. I found that 1/3 to 1/2 cup of green beans was all I could roast at one time.
They have to keep moving or they will burn. The same goes for the frying pan method. You have to keep stirring or shaking the pan. Even a few seconds can burn the beans.

Here you go. ⬇︎ Read the instructions carefully. The writer explains the process better than I can.

http://www.foodrepublic.com/2012/05/31/home-coffee-roasting-stovetop-skillet-vs-oven
 
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I saw this on a military firearms forum. I agree.

"This is my cup of coffee. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my coffee is useless. Without my coffee, I am useless."
 
I have been busy doing some research on how to make better coffee. I am a newb to gourmet coffee, my information is really condensed and overly generalized so please take it with a grain of salt and do a more thorough research if you are interested.

Under-extracting -> Sour. Over-extracting -> Bitter.
A lot of people say that the order of importance goes to, Hand of Barista, Grinder, Coffee bean, and last is the Espresso machine. GRINDER, GRINDER, GRINDER is the most importance piece of kit to achieve maximal results.
There isn't a best espresso grinder that beats all, only what suits your needs, your wallet, and your tastes. Because there isn't objective evidence for us to go on, I think we are left with theory and personal style, more than purely empirical.

Consistency (in other words, the same flow rate for the same dose), is the holy grail of espresso and all the tools in the world are a waste of time if you do not adjust grind and dose to match the coffee. That is, by far, the single most important adjustment in espresso making. If, at a given setting, your grinder can't produce the same particle distribution from the same coffee shot after shot after shot then it's incredibly difficult to dial in and even more difficult to learn how to dial in. That's the kind of frustration that really drives newbies nuts.

Originally the intent of the term "Titan" seems to be to call out a group of grinders that hit a surprising level of consistency bean to bean, machine to machine, basket to basket, etc. It wasn't an issue of grinder metrics or flavor perception. It was about how the grinder handled as it was used and how it compared to the handling of other grinders.
“Titan” has evolved into almost any grinder with burrs 63mm or larger, under 400 rpm, burrs whether hand-driven, motor driven, fanned-cooled motor driven, doser'ed, doserless, etc.

I. Espresso Grinder Characteristics

A. In the Cup

1. Top End Sparkle
a. Fruits
b. Spices
c. Florals

2. Bass Note Comfort
a. Chocolate
b. Nuts

3. Nuance
4. Separation
5. Clarity
6. Mouth feel

B. Use

1. Grind Quality
a. Fluffiness
b. Static
c. Clumping

2. Convenience

a. Grind Adjustment
i. Suitability for Single Dosing by Weight

b. Electronic or Manual Controls
i. Timer dosing accuracy: weight/time

c. Dose or Doserless
d. Dose delivery
e. Direct to Porta Filter

3. Grind retention
a. In the chute
b. In the chamber
c. In the burrs
d. Above the burrs

4. Burr type, size, rpm speed.
a. Planar aka. Flat, needs to be 80mm or bigger for titan class and less than 400 rpm.
b. Conical, 63mm is the lowest for titan class and less than 400 rpm.

5. Messiness
6. Build Quality
7. Machine Dimensions
8. Maintenance
9. Noise


II. Grinder "Grades" and Examples

A. Inadequate

1. Wide variation in particle shapes and sizes, with a poor range of adjustment.
2. Examples
a. Baratza Virtuoso and Breville Smart
b. Capresso Infinity
c. *Hario Skerton

B. Adequate

1. Produces recognizable espresso with enough range of adjustment to manipulate extraction
qualities to some extent.
2. Examples
a. Baratza Preciso
b. LeLit PL53 and other TreSpades

C. Good

1. Meaningful control
2. Examples
a. Baratza Vario
b. Mazzer Mini

D. Very Good

1. Entry level commercial grinders
2. Examples
a. Baratza Forte, for its better build quality
b. Mazzer Super Jolly
c. Everything else in the SJ class

E. Excellent with a wide range

1. Titan Class

a. Like a Titan but not necessarily a Titan; grinds like a Titan, but not necessarily large,
motorized, or designed for commercial use.
b. Examples *manual grinders
i. *Pharos, portable
ii. *Lido 2, portable
iii. *Knock Hausgrind, portable
vi. *HG One, 83 mm flat burr, weight 30 lbs.

2. Titanhood

a. Large, motorized, designed for commercial use

3. (Merely) Titan

a. Flat burrs
i. Anfim Super Caimano
ii. Mahlkonig K30 Vario
iii. Mazzer Major class big flats

b. Hybrids burrs
i. La Cimbali Max and Junior Max
ii. Versalab M3

c. Conical burrs
i. Mazzer Kony
ii. Compak K10 (both flavors)

4. Uber-Titan

a. Ceado E92
b. Mahlkonig EK43
c. Mazzer Robur (both flavors)
d. Nuovo Simonelli Mythos
e. Elektra Nino
 
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I use a regular electric grinder myself. I'm presuming its very basic as I picked it up from bed, bath...is there a subjective difference in taste with hand grinding vs the machine? I've noticed what primitive describe this morning. I think and only think and aren't certain about it but the tablespoon measure and amount of water used all being equal... When I grind the beans super fine it will taste more bitter vs when I don't.

I switch between a home espresso machine a breville I think and a regular Mr coffee drip.
 
Don't know much about coffee.. Like mine black.. But give Jamaican. Blue Mountain a try, it's sooooo smooth even when it's black you swear there must be something in it
 
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