Coffee

cchu518 said:
I use a regular electric grinder myself. I'm presuming its very basic as I picked it up from bed, bath...is there a subjective difference in taste with hand grinding vs the machine? I've noticed what primitive describe this morning. I think and only think and aren't certain about it but the tablespoon measure and amount of water used all being equal... When I grind the beans super fine it will taste more bitter vs when I don't.

I switch between a home espresso machine a breville I think and a regular Mr coffee drip.
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As long as the hand grinders have good burrs and the other important factors they can compete with all of the top end expensive electrics. Examples are the HG-1 and the Pharos, which are capable of competing and beating all of the Uber Titans.

Hand grinders positives:
Depending on grinder it can make the same quality as the expensive electric grinders,
Cost is a lot less,
Lightweight, small dimensions, and portable,
Less expensive,
Grinds slower,
Good for single dosing,
Sometimes easier maintenance,
etc.,

Hand grinder negatives:
Learning curve,
Demands more patience and strong arms,
Takes more time to dose for bigger groups of people.
Less stable,
Static, might have to spritz the beans with water before grinding,
Maybe clumpiness, might have to stir the grounds before placing in the porta filter,
etc.,

The hottest full size hand grinder right now is the HG-1. Its has 83mm flat burrs, weights 30 lbs, and costs around $945.00.

The hottest portable hand grinder is the Orphanespresso Pharos. Its 8" tall and 6.5" diameter body, 68 mm conical burr set, 5 lbs., $245.00.

Coming soon, the hottest compact portable grinder will probably be Orphanespresso Lido 2 because of the Lido 1 success. 40mm conical burr set, 13" tall and "2 diameter, 3.5 lbs., $175.00.

Because these hand grinders are very popular and are not mass produced it makes buying one almost as difficult as buying a LE ZT.

All of the Uber Titans start on sale at $1800.00 and goes past $3000.00.
 
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cchu518 said:
$3k for a grinder! Yikes that's a pass in my book roflmao!
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That is probably everyone's reaction to the price of the grinders.:eek: LOL

You can compromise with some grinders but there is supposedly a big difference between the Titan grinders and all of the rest. All of the coffee guys seem to say that, an excellent grinder paired with a just ok espresso machine will beat a very expensive espresso maker and a cheap grinder most of the time.

Examples of some of the lowest priced electric grinders in their class:

Baratza Vario: $469.00 retail and around $369.00 refurbished from the factory. This might be the lowest priced decent electric grinder you can go. Good grade.
Mazzer Super Jolley: $1100.00 new from online stores and around $500.00+ for refurbished, used, or online auction store. Very Good grade.
Compak K10 Fresh, PB, or E10: $1600.00+ new. The lowest price for an excellent electric grinder. Excellent grade.

The commercial electric grinders are too expensive for me so I will be going manual.
 
I'm one of the few folks on the planet who don't like the taste or smell of coffee. As for jump starting my morning, my wife usually kicks me in the butt.
 
My two daughters already love coffee! We only give it to them once in a great while. They're only six years and eight years old! My six-year-old asked my wife this morning why she puts creamer in her coffee. She then said that her mom should "try it black like daddy and I!"

Now that's training them up well!
 
After struggling for years with various cheap hand grinders I decided to try a LIDO2. I was just notified that it has been shipped. I'll post a review when I get it.
The LIDO2 is expensive, but cost less than many factory made folding knives and will get daily use.

I used two Zassenhaus mills for over 10 years. They were fast, but were very inconsistent. The results were usually a mixture of dust and large chunks. About
two year ago I bought a Hario mill. It works a bit better, but is very slow. 3 minutes of furious grinding every morning is good exercise. ;)

The main problem with cheap mills is that the shafts wobble and as you use them, the wobble gets worse giving an uneven grind. The LIDO2 has bronze bearings.
That should do the job. We'll see.
 
UffDa said:
After struggling for years with various cheap hand grinders I decided to try a LIDO2. I was just notified that it has been shipped. I'll post a review when I get it.
The LIDO2 is expensive, but cost less than many factory made folding knives and will get daily use.

I used two Zassenhaus mills for over 10 years. They were fast, but were very inconsistent. The results were usually a mixture of dust and large chunks. About
two year ago I bought a Hario mill. It works a bit better, but is very slow. 3 minutes of furious grinding every morning is good exercise. ;)

The main problem with cheap mills is that the shafts wobble and as you use them, the wobble gets worse giving an uneven grind. The LIDO2 has bronze bearings.
That should do the job. We'll see.
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I made the same decision. I am on the Lido 2 wait list. How long were you on the list? I was waiting to buy until they were in stock but it looks like they are shipping now. The industrial designer they hired sure made it purty.

If you are mechanically inclined you can install new bearings on the Hario Skerton and improve the wobble. It looks like the hardest part is the burr alignment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH2_UEwPnrw
 
PrimitiveEnergy said:
I made the same decision. I am on the Lido 2 wait list. How long were you on the list? I was waiting to buy until they were in stock but it looks like they are shipping now. The industrial designer they hired sure made it purty.
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I pre-ordered 3/5/14 and paid for it. They estimated that it would be ready in May. Well, it's still May, so they are doing a lot better then many knife makers. ;)
 
UffDa said:
I pre-ordered 3/5/14 and paid for it. They estimated that it would be ready in May. Well, it's still May, so they are doing a lot better then many knife makers. ;)
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Smart move. OE are keeping their promises...Not too bad for a USA Mom and Pop small business.:thumbup:

My number is 41201. I hope they don't run out before my number is called.
 
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Anyone ever see one of these its in the club lounge of the hotel that I'm staying at...
 
My favs are pea berry and I have a taste for blue mountain. I like medium roast course ground and done in a French press the best.

Jay
 
I was in Michigan this weekend and my wife made me buy these......


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