Cold Steel Recon1 vs Zero tolerance????(any model) Which one is tougher knife?????

From my understanding, s30v, Elmax and CPM3V are all tougher than Aus8a, so which one is tougher? If you want the toughness of a fixed blade, get a fixed blade. You won't find "fixed blade toughness" it in a folder... not even cold steel's "super duper tri-ad lock" makes the recon 1 like a fixed blade. If you are putting that much pressure against the "failure" direction of the lock, you're doing something wrong. End of discussion. If you actually cutting with the blade, you will not be applying pressure to make the lock fail. The ONLY way to put pressure in the wrong direction would be to spine whack the knife. Don't be stupid and spine whack your folder...

Strong opinion, but all the talk of lock strength is asinine. The lock is there to keep the blade from closing in on your hand during cutting operations, not to allow you to hand from your freaking folding knife from the side of a cliff. Mild batoning can be accomplished with almost any knife, folding included... you just have to be smart about it and NONE of it includes the lock. If you decided to apply pressure to the lock while batoning(downward force applied to the handle while lock is engaged and blade is stuck in wood), you will eventually damage your knife... yes, even the recon 1.
 
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Pissing people off left and right. For people to say frame and liner locks are inferior is asinine as well. there are far far more liner/frame locks out there than just about anything else. they must be useful for something. I bet most people couldnt care less about the number of pounds the knife broke at when deciding on their purchase.
 
I think the cold steel triad lock is stronger. I have seen that things be done to that knife that anyone with common sense knows not to do to a folding knife without it failing. I guess know one wants to do that to a zt cause they're so expensive.lol
 
Cold steel by lightyears.

All ZT can do is use tired designs, and throw materials at the problem. Cold Steel in their folding knife designs are innovative on a level that very few ever reach in production knives. It is kinda like comparing a coal powered steam engine to a nuclear engine. One is just much more in terms of design. I am sure that there are some really pretty steam engines out there though.
 
Jfoley4 said:
From the ashes this thread rises.
Pissing people off left and right. For people to say frame and liner locks are inferior is asinine as well. there are far far more liner/frame locks out there than just about anything else. they must be useful for something. I bet most people couldnt care less about the number of pounds the knife broke at when deciding on their purchase.
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They are inferior. In the same way that a slingshot is inferior to an AR. there are a lot of slingshots out there, and they are good for something
 
ursamajor said:
Cold steel by lightyears.

All ZT can do is use tired designs, and throw materials at the problem. Cold Steel in their folding knife designs are innovative on a level that very few ever reach in production knives. It is kinda like comparing a coal powered steam engine to a nuclear engine. One is just much more in terms of design. I am sure that there are some really pretty steam engines out there though.
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I wish cold steel used more than aus8, then I would buy more of their knives
 
ursamajor said:
They are inferior. In the same way that a slingshot is inferior to an AR. there are a lot of slingshots out there, and they are good for something
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You sure do love logical fallacies don't you? How do you normally prepare your red herring?
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If you are going to really beat on the knife, I would go with the Cold Steel Recon 1. Tough knife, solid lockup, and at a good enough price where you won't feel guilty when you put it to hard use.

I guess it all depends on what you are willing to spend, though. The ZT is one hell of a knife also.
 
ursamajor said:
Cold steel by lightyears.

All ZT can do is use tired designs, and throw materials at the problem. Cold Steel in their folding knife designs are innovative on a level that very few ever reach in production knives. It is kinda like comparing a coal powered steam engine to a nuclear engine. One is just much more in terms of design. I am sure that there are some really pretty steam engines out there though.
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You realize that pretty much all "nuclear engines" are steam engines?
 
Cold Steel makes a good knife, but ELMAX is way better than AUS8, enough to make me carry a ZT.

For what its worth, Ankerson has a Demko custom in ELMAX, not AUS8.
 
I would say the only comparable large folder coldsteel has that is comparable to a zt would be the recon 1. In the sense that many of the larger ones are just in a different category all together. The Rajah 2 and the spartan are on another level when it comes to toughness.
 
SkrufKnifer said:
If only they made the Recon 1 with aluminum or magnesium handles, and used 1095. I love the lock design. I had an old voyager jeez 10 years ago a large tanto50/50. Was light, and was the largest folder I had owned and maybe still is.It pre dated the Tri-ad lock, and was still a super strong knife. Always thought I would shatter the g10 handle, but after 2 years of daily use it held up.I did chip the tip useing it as a screwdriver. Was a great knife. I have had lots of folder, and most were liner locks. The only liner lock I havnt had fail is CRKT auto lawks system. I did have a buck lock back fail, the pivot pin/rivet on the lock snaped, but was an old old buck. I prefer the lockback over liner. If only Ontario's Spec-Plus folders had a pocket clip. But no folder can match a full tang fixed blade, If you want superior strength go fixed
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Magnesium? I think you mean titanium...
 
SkrufKnifer said:
I have one of these Smith and Wesson HRT folder, Its my current EDC, Its a nice sturdy handle.Handles more than strong enoght to smash a car window/windsheild, dont think G10 can do that. I've had it for 2 years now and its got a little blade wiggle when open, so need to replace it. Might order the plain edge one, as the serations just limit the use of this knife. Realy inbetween ordering another HRT or the Recon1. The HRT I belive has the same AUS8 and weights less, but its a liner lock, and the pocket clip is blade tip down. Anyways I was realy happy with my old Voyager And besides I dont keep my knives in the BBQ pit or my oven. Wouldnt magnesuim hold out to heat better than G10?
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Magnesium is an incredibly flammable alloy, with a burning temperature about 5000 degrees fehrenheit. I believe you are referring to titanium, which has a very high melting temperature and great strength/weight ratio
 
There are plenty of magnesium alloys these days, though. From engine parts to wheels and in between. Some newer alloys are half the strength of steel at 1/4 the weight. You can use 2x the material and still save weight by 1/2.
 
I picked up a Recon 1 at a thrift store and I like it. I was surprised how much I like it.
 
FYI, the Recon 1 is surely a stout knife. But the new Voyagers with the FFG blade and aluminum liners would probably be a better competitor to the ZT.
 
ursamajor said:
Cold steel by lightyears.

All ZT can do is use tired designs, and throw materials at the problem. Cold Steel in their folding knife designs are innovative on a level that very few ever reach in production knives. It is kinda like comparing a coal powered steam engine to a nuclear engine. One is just much more in terms of design. I am sure that there are some really pretty steam engines out there though.
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I was unaware Ken Onion, Rick Hinderer, and RJ Martin were tired designers, or that "throw materials at the problem" was a bad strategy...
 
Fit/Finish on the ZT is superior but if you want to beat the hell out of it the CS will work.

They get bashed alot (CS) but from my experience they are pretty damn tough.
 
Definitely ZT knives. The lock on a Recon One might be superior, but due to the exclusively mediocre steel that CS uses it's completely irrelevant.
 
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