Cold Steel strikes agin!

I really like the Cold Steel products but in this case, I may stick to my custom modified sledge hammer handle which has stopped a couple of would be assaults just by showing it to the would be assailants.
 
Speaking of home defense, I'm looking at a Ruger P90 .45 cal. but I think I'll wait till Lynn produces his Polypropylene version.
 
Lynn and Co. never fail to make me laugh. I've owned some of their knives in the past, but now I try to "Buy American" whenever I can, wherever I can. As for bats and clubs. 3 of my favorite are at least 15-20 years old. One is an aluminum T-ball bat that a friend of mine used to hit gravel into the creek with. Lots of sharp, sharp edges. I won't run my hand up and down it, because I'm afraid of drawing blood. 2nd is a piece of Hemlock me and a friend cut, cured, & painted. Still feels "just right" after almost 20 years. Last but not least, is a wooden softball bat that I used a lot in family softball games growing up. It's at my Mom's. Good times, good times:D I keep a 2 D mag lite in the wife's vehicle and the "rescue light" that my mother in-law-gave me last christmas in mine. It has a pointy but cap for glass breaking, which covers the seat belt cutter. The other end is the light. Great Chrismas gift:thumbup:

GregB
 
Some of you may or may not know this, but the sjambok originated in South Africa... it was a favourite weapon of the riot police here for many years. One of my co-workers still bears a scar on his face from a blow from one when someone took a dislike to him.

It's a devastating weapon but like the baseball bat, it helps to have room to swing it. Personally I think a large fixed blade is the best defence in an enclosed space. I actually keep another Cold Steel product on my night stand for any late night intruders - a magnum tanto in San Mai III. For thrusting and slashing, its pretty hard to beat. There's even a skull crusher if you want to go that route... firearms are good, but its too easy for shots to go wild and hit the wrong target IMO.

As far as legality is concerned, there's an old saying: "better to be judged by 12 than carried by six."
 
outlaw918692000 said:
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You are committing a crime when you pick up a plastic impact weapon in most states, but can use a wooden club. and I doubt you could justify this as a bat in court (and the defendant used this illegal club described by the maker as a weapon to beat people to death). Not to mention that Sjambok.
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Outlaw,

I keep hearing (reading) arguments like this in the forum. The older I get the more I realize I don't know it all.

Allow me to ask you (and everyone else reading this) to explain the logic in your statement.

***You are committing a crime when you pick up a plastic impact weapon in most states, but can use a wooden club.

???? I'm assuming we are talking about SD. why would picking anything up when in 'fear of death or serious bodily harm' be illegal. Are you telling me there are actually states where the law calls only for improvised weapons to be used in SD?


***and I doubt you could justify this as a bat in court (and the defendant used this illegal club described by the maker as a weapon to beat people to death). Not to mention that Sjambok.

???? Why would you have to justify an article that is marketed as a SD item when used for SD? Seriously I don't get it. That is, of course, a completely different discussion than the 'Was it SD?' which you are not addressing. Again why would I have to justify it as a bat?

Are there jurisdictions where you can't OWN any items explicitly for SD? I believe even in the UK you can (you just can 'carry' them for such a purpose).

Your argument seems completly illogical to me, but as it has been posted so many times I begin to think I may be missing something.

Any explication would be welcome. :)

-Again please don't address the 'Was it SD?' aspect as that is not what I 'read' i your post. Thanks.
 
Is that the bat thats made of the same material as those knives that can be "sharpened with a nail file", that are supposed to be undetected by metal detectors?
 
OrangeJoe said:
Outlaw,

I keep hearing (reading) arguments like this in the forum. The older I get the more I realize I don't know it all.

Allow me to ask you (and everyone else reading this) to explain the logic in your statement.

***You are committing a crime when you pick up a plastic impact weapon in most states, but can use a wooden club.

???? I'm assuming we are talking about SD. why would picking anything up when in 'fear of death or serious bodily harm' be illegal. Are you telling me there are actually states where the law calls only for improvised weapons to be used in SD?


***and I doubt you could justify this as a bat in court (and the defendant used this illegal club described by the maker as a weapon to beat people to death). Not to mention that Sjambok.

???? Why would you have to justify an article that is marketed as a SD item when used for SD? Seriously I don't get it. That is, of course, a completely different discussion than the 'Was it SD?' which you are not addressing. Again why would I have to justify it as a bat?

Are there jurisdictions where you can't OWN any items explicitly for SD? I believe even in the UK you can (you just can 'carry' them for such a purpose).

Your argument seems completly illogical to me, but as it has been posted so many times I begin to think I may be missing something.

Any explication would be welcome. :)

-Again please don't address the 'Was it SD?' aspect as that is not what I 'read' i your post. Thanks.
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Orangejoe, yes, regardless of the legality of your self defense claim, in many areas of the country you can be charged with possession of a banned weapon for the carry or use of an impact tool.

Here in New Jersey, a kubaton made for the expressed purpose of self defense would be illegal to carry or to use, where as a Maglite flashlight of the same size and shape is OK.

I don't have any specific case reports to site, but people have been cleared of wrongdoing in a Self Defense case only to have weapons charges brought against them for their choice of tool in the same incident.

I haven't heard of anyone getting into any serious trouble in the above stated situation, but better safe than sorry.
 
Gentlebeings, legal questions should be discussed in Knife Laws, where there are people who know what they're talking about.

In general legal opinions you see posted in other forums are usually false in your jurisdiction, and often false in all jurisdictions.
 
I have used a bat in a fight and they suck. My skateboard worked way better.
I am waiting for the CS version.
 
Cougar Allen said:
Gentlebeings, legal questions should be discussed in Knife Laws, where there are people who know what they're talking about.

In general legal opinions you see posted in other forums are usually false in your jurisdiction, and often false in all jurisdictions.
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My bad! But in my (weak) defense I was wonderig about the bases for the argument... ahh chucks you're right.
 
I got one, and the factory edge was crap. And once I got it sharp it wouldn't hold the edge. Can't recommend it.
 
I shouldn't add anything in this string of bat-beatings, but I have found that a spare axe handle made from nice cured ash is the all around wonder tool. It also fits un-obtrusively in any corner of any room.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
The sjambok is the finest non-lethal self defense tool I have ever put my hands on. It is easy to use, hurts like hell, and is legal just about everywhere. Being non-lethal makes it a great choice for fighters and sheeple alike. I don't see the problem with it.

As for the brooklyn smasher, I have not used it for hitting a ball yet, but it is pretty much as stated: indestructable. And as for the legal question, If you beat someone to death with a bat (wooden, aluminum, or plastic), a crowbar, a brick, a rock, etc., you are going to have loads of legal trouble anyway.

Seems you're just looking for a reason to pick on CS.
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My own sense of martial arts is that their purpose is not to hurt but to kill and maim; for this reason all care must be taken to be sure you are using the skills and tools of martial arts only when absolutely necessary. If you are not willing to kill, blind, cripple, maim, paralyze, etc then probably best not to fight at all. I can't think of a situation where I would want to use something like a sjambok. If the guy is attacking me I want a helluva lot more than to make him sting, if I just hate that he's blowing smoke then a whipping with a sjambok is not likely to help the situation. Situation is different for Law enforcement, they are expected to use nonlethal when possible but are given a) far greater leeway in use of force than anyone else, plus the many tools for it, and b) presumption of justification in most cases.

Legally, what constitutes self defense and justifiable force varies from state to state, and even there individual facts and circumstances, not to mention the random element of a jury, will have the final say. Who knows, your defense attorney being able to say "and all he had to defend himself was this plastic batting practice bat" could be the new "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit!".
 
Is this plastic bat approved for use in an actual game?

When I played league, they were very touchy about bats. The slightest modification would forfeit it's approval. They did check suspicious-looking bats and I saw a lot of them disqualified--usually after a really nice hit.

If you can't use it in a real game and its utility as a weapon is mentioned in its advertising ... I think you'd have a hard time arguing it isn't primarily a 'plastic impact weapon.'
 
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