Cold Steel Success

Sebenza & Spyderco S35VN failed dismally - how about some Cold Steel AUS8A super steel? ;)

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Freak Show Scott said:
LOL they couldn't play nice with honest opinions and facts. BTW I still like some of their knives and respect many of the people in the forums. Others (in control of the forums) not so much.
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Thx for the info.

As I recall when you and I had the discussion about Aus8 in the voyagers you felt it was to make higher profits and I said no one was more unhappy about the failure of the the SM III voyager than Cold Steel. I still stand by that statement. But now I would have to say that the unintended consequences of larger profits with cheaper steel has spun, the move towards better steel that LCT was going for two years ago, the head of Cold Steel like Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.
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At the time the news was that they'd release the new Voyagers with AUS8A and still price them like they had high-end steel. That hasn't happened and I am quite happy with my 4" clippoint at its current price.

Your theory (I take it that's what it is, unless you have some real background info) that the new Voyagers were an unintentional, accidental success is interesting, does not sound implausible to me. Maybe Cold Steel will make SO much money off them that they'll hazard a sprint run type Recon 1 with S30V or M390. :D
 
what in gods name do you people cut throughout the day that you need to sharpen aus8 everyday? i use my recon 1 quite a bit on plastic straps and cardboard at work and have never had to do that.
 
Adding to my earlier post,
The advertising is pretty pathetic. It is mall ninja advertising.
The way they treat the knives like weapons for war is pretty dumb too.
But I'm confident with my standing on knives.
My opinions and views of blades have changed alot since signing up on BF as well.
The knives are strong, and the lock is great too.
Disregarding the steels, and ads, the knives are pretty good, and I wouldnt mind getting another.
But for that price point of the knives, there are better brands (Kershaw, small Spydercos, Case, GEC, Griptilians ETC.)
Scale of 1-10, 10 being best in my opinion,
4.5/10
Good knives, bad everything else
 
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Cold Steel Fail Reviews, yes there's some batoning, but so what? If you cant baton a knife what good is it when your making kindling/firewood?


Cold Steel Espada Fail Review
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Cold Steel Bushman Fail Review
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Cold Steel Recon Scout Fail Review
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Cold Steel Trailmaster Fail Review
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Cold Steel Outdoorsman Fail Review
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KRS1 said:
Cold Steel Fail Reviews, yes there's some batoning, but so what? If you cant baton a knife what good is it when your making kindling/firewood?
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Plenty.
You can just shave the wet wood off (you know, by cutting it away).
Splitting wood to make kindling involves small sticks, which can be split with a Swiss Army Knife with no lock at all.

Batonning is fine to do with a knife made for batonning, but isn't a necessity to get a fire going, even when it's wet.

Just because the internet says it's so doesn't make it so.:D
 
stabman said:
Plenty.
You can just shave the wet wood off (you know, by cutting it away).
Splitting wood to make kindling involves small sticks, which can be split with a Swiss Army Knife with no lock at all.

Batonning is fine to do with a knife made for batonning, but isn't a necessity to get a fire going, even when it's wet.

Just because the internet says it's so doesn't make it so.:D
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I dont know about you but i dont feel like foraging for little sticks to keep a fire going through the night.

Give me a big thick log that will burn for hours instead. Or better yet give me log that i can make a Swedish torch out of [video=youtube;vjQRLQTNsJo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjQRLQTNsJo[/video]

better yet give me an ax.
 
KRS1 said:
I dont know about you but i dont feel like foraging for little sticks to keep a fire going through the night.

Give me a big thick log that will burn for hours instead. Or better yet give me log that i can make a Swedish torch out of

better yet give me an ax.
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Better yet, give me a house. :D
 
I guess the super steels are a lost cause on me. Aus8 at one time or another was probably a super steel, or at least an upgrade into the realm of high carbon stainless steels. I have always been in the camp that edge geometry and a proper heat treat in a "low end" steel can compete with a "super steel" with less than optimal edge geometry and /or heat treat. Cold Steels knife making company does a pretty decent job on Aus8 and I am pretty sure that while something along the lines of S30V will outperform well done Aus8 I am not sure that it would be by such a great distance that a person who uses his knife daily would notice to any great degree. Of course what do I know I like a good carbon steel as well as the latest and greatest super steel around.
 
hunter s thompson said:
I guess the super steels are a lost cause on me. Aus8 at one time or another was probably a super steel, or at least an upgrade into the realm of high carbon stainless steels. I have always been in the camp that edge geometry and a proper heat treat in a "low end" steel can compete with a "super steel" with less than optimal edge geometry and /or heat treat. Cold Steels knife making company does a pretty decent job on Aus8 and I am pretty sure that while something along the lines of S30V will outperform well done Aus8 I am not sure that it would be by such a great distance that a person who uses his knife daily would notice to any great degree. Of course what do I know I like a good carbon steel as well as the latest and greatest super steel around.
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Bingo. Geometry geometry geometry. Steel choice is still important, but it's LESS important.
 
Hwy Krs1, I've seen a vid of the CRK one piece knife that broke at the serrations, all knives can and will break with enough stupid applied.
 
ericvar101 said:
I didn't think the thead had anything to do with their marketing, but if you would like to see them make knives with better steel. I like my mini-AK47, I like the Lawman and the Recon. I'm not to into the persian looking folders but the I do like those knives and would buy them in S30V.

I dont really care anything about their marketing has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Well said.
 
I carried an old style AK-47 for 2 years. It had pretty excellent geometry for such a large knife. In fact, it was a mean slicing machine. It slices much better than my ZT 0561, and even my 710-2. With that said, my knives take outdoor trips with me, go to work, and just generally get used, including some tougher work. It had fine wear resistance, but my problem was that I was tired of sharpening rolls out of the steel. My new model Voyager has the same problems with just being a hair too soft. Yes, it's tough, but I don't do a ton of beating on cinder blocks or stabbing car hoods, but sometimes I may cut something that is hard and I find their AUS-8 rolls just too easily. It's never a huge edge ruining roll, but enough to affect sharpness. I think that is where 154cm or vg-10 would come into play. I think they are balanced enough for the type of knife Cold Steel wants to build.

I like some of their knives, and I do think that CS has some clue about geometry as many of their knives are fine cutters, but I believe there is a steel for every knife, just like there is a tool for every job. AUS-8 may be fine for one knife, but not the best in another design. Many companies have grown to accept this but Cold Steel has not. That's fine, but when it comes down to it, I will recommend the other guys first.

Also, we all know CS' marketing tactics are well, lacking class, but don't let something as harmless as LT in biker shorts:barf: scare you away from a decent knife or two. Marketing is marketing, products are products. Give the products a chance and decide for yourself.
 
KRS1 said:
Cold Steel Fail Reviews, yes there's some batoning, but so what? If you cant baton a knife what good is it when your making kindling/firewood?
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This is someting I have never understood... I can see having to baton a knife in a true survival situation, but I would bet that the number of people on BF's, that have been in an actual 100% survival situation, could be counted on one hand.

I know some people enjoy it and thats fine, but it is so much easier to just use a hatchet.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Bingo. Geometry geometry geometry. Steel choice is still important, but it's LESS important.
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Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard all that before. Geometry, HT, design, and it's all true. OF COURSE we will assume everything else remains the same or gets better, why would a company screw up a perfectly good design when incorporating a better steel?
All other factors being equal, a Recon 1 will be a better knife if it has a better steel.
 
Can't get enough of them sabres. :p

My XL Voyager with the Triad Lock really turned my head around about knives to be had for 50-60 bucks (street price), and about what overseas manufacturing is capable of. While my mainstay edc will always be American-manufactured, the Voyager is one hell of a briefcase knife. Great folder, and for occasional purposes, AUS8 suits me fine.
 
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