Cold steel vs CRKT suit and claims made by each

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buffjay

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While the claim made by CRKT isn't factual it is similar to claims made by other makers. Buck made a similar claim about their marksman and other makers like lion steel have made similar statements. It is almost a given that manufactures inflate the performance of their products.

Like the claim by cold steel about their knives..."Cold Steel®, Inc. was founded in 1980, a company dedicated to making the strongest, sharpest knives in the world."

The lock is extremely strong and I do love the is simplicity, I will point out though that I have received knives that are noticibly sharper than they have come from the plants that manufacture the knives for cold steel. The two blades I from cold steel are an SRK in carbon-v that was made by camillus(awesome awesome knife) and a 1st generation code 4.

I had to put an edge on a 1st generation code four after receiving it, it was noticibly dull. This isn't an issue in any way but before cold steel goes out of the way to not only accuse another " knife designer" of false claims that many many makers and designer have claimed.

I would like a reply from a cold steel rep as to why they are allowed to make a claim such as "the strongest and sharpest knives" but when another maker makes an inflated claim it is worth a lawsuit?
 
Hi buffjay
I'm sorry, I am not able to discuss the lawsuit as it is an active case.
I can however direct you toward the original press release and a statement from our company President HERE
Thanks
 
Let it go. Everything that needed to be said got said the first time around. No reason to beat a dead horse.
 
I didn't see the original thread and I have read the press release from Lynn and it doesn't answer the questions I listed above. I am a fan of cold steel and the triad lock. Reading this suit seems counter intuitive to what cold steel has been portraying. If there is an underlying issue I would like to hear it.
 
Sorry you missed the first thread, but any further discussion on this would further antagonize some folks who have been antagonized enough already. And there's really nothing to be gained until Cold Steel is ready to talk about it. For now, I'd suggest you come join us on the sideline. We're all waiting for more to be revealed.
 
Closing the 1st thread was understandable as all points that could have been made pretty much were.

Sending said thread into the void was weak sauce.
 
benchwarmer380 said:
Sending said thread into the void was weak sauce.
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That thread had descended into name calling, mudslinging and trolling.
That is just not acceptable.
As I have said many times, I am fine with polite discussion (that's what forums are for) but I am not going to tolerate personal and petty insults etc.

I really do believe we are all here for the same reason, our shared love of sharp stuff. It's a hobby, a passion and even a career for a lot of us, so I think it's perfectly acceptable to have strong opinions and to disagree sometimes - BUT I think discussion on this platform should be just like if we met in the bar or wherever at a show and talked about blades. Show the same level of respect that you would if we had this conversation face to face.
Even if I disagree with a fellow knife lover, I'm still going to buy him a beer and talk. I'm not going to insult him, his friends and his company. It's just not necessary.
Believe me, I'd rather be talking about knives than deleting posts.
Thanks for your understanding
 
True and I agree with everything you said in the post above.

I still believe that there was enough discussion in the thread for it to stay visible on the boards. Moving posts is time consuming I'm sure, but there is a certain dumba$$ thread in W&C where they would have fit in nicely.
 
Did cold steel and CRKT have a spat about something else besides the claim of "virtual fixed blade"?
 
I am guessing that there has to be some other issue besides what is being put out there, it seems to petty.
 
If the reason for this suit was the fact that people are choosing CRKT over Cold Steel for the fact they make "fixed blade" folders: I said in the other thread that I would be angry if a competitor was making money off of and taking business away from my company based on a lie. A wet paper lie at that. Petty as it sounds, I could empathize.

"Virtual fixed blade" sets the bar pretty high right? 45 lbs hung and the lock flexed about 45 degrees. It failed at 70, but he could have added a mere 10 to same result. The result did not even closely match the bar that the advertisement sets. This is what's causing my company to lose out on customers? From a business standpoint, I'd be angry. Wouldn't you?

Note: IF this is even part of the reason for it all.
 
It is really very clear. Cold Steel was willing to host the discussion. They even started it. They were not willing to support it once it went off-topic.
 
The original thread was really nothing more than making a public accusation as nothing has been legally decided yet. By unveiling it in this manner it makes it look, at least to me, that it is nothing more than an attention grabber and a way to stir the pot.

No such thing as bad publicity right?

Next thing you know someone will sue cold steel for getting caught with one of their knives in a court house because the new catch phrase is, after all, anytime-anywhere.
 
Not for anything, but I've been on Bladeforums long enough to remember all the complaints about CRKT lock failures reported back around 2004-2005, with scattered reports of continued lock failure up to just a few years ago. Here's one report of a LAWKS equipped M16 that failed on someone. Luckily, there was no injury.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/456852-CRKT-M-16Z-liner-lock-failed

I've owned a few CRKT knives, and thankfully none has failed on me during normal use, but the thread I refer to above goes to show that the LAWKS mechanism can fail during use. Of course, any lock can fail. On some knives, it may not take a lot to make them fail, while others will fail if pushed to extremes. Even fixed blades can break, but as educated knife users, we all know that no folding knife can ever be as strong as a fixed blade. Unfortunately, not all knife consumers are savvy enough to grasp that concept.
 
My issue with this entire thing is the hypocrisy behind it. Looking at it @ face value, Cold Steel seems to have a valid gripe. But when every piece of literature related to Cold Steel says "Worlds Strongest and Sharpest knives," then I think that is what really irks myself and many others. Cold Steel promotes to make the worlds sharpest knife much more commonly than CRKT refers to their Lawks folders as "virtual fixed blade."

I read the explanation from Lynn Thompson and he brings up the issue of safety. Personally, ive only ever seen one serious knife injury. And it happened when I was working at a certain knife retailer when the heavy spring pressure from a Triad Lock on a Cold Steel Talwar that didn't open all the way closed back down meeting up with the guys fingers. Unfortunately it resulted in nerve repair surgery. I would bet many many more users are injured from opening and closing lock backs and slip joints under spring pressure than are injured from mechanical lock failure by a massive margin.

Just my .02 cent though. I haven't read the other mentioned thread but im sure all this was (hopefully) discussed.
 
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