cold steel

[Hitzy]

AUS-8 is hardly low carbon steel. It is a high carbon stainless and can be hardened to about 60 HRc and even higher. As was said, heat treatment determines this. I don't know how hard CS makes their blades, but it's not for lack of ability of the steel. AUS-8 is not low quality. It's just as clean as other Japanese steels like VG-1, VG-10, ZDP-189, etc. Saying it's low quality implies there is something wrong with how the steel is made. The elements in it are the ones intended to be there in the desired quantities. I have tried some of the above steels and AUS-8 has some desireable properties even compared to this group of steels.

BTW, how can a newer steel have been on the market for decades?

AUS8 is .7% carbon, pretty low compared to most of the new stuff. Buck still calls it's 420 high carbon SS, Sandvik 12c27 is refered to as high carbon SS....at one time they all were.
I worded that pretty piss poor....newer meaning the D2, 154CM, ATS-34, etc. not the CPM stuff that is just flooding the market.

How about this...."AUS8 is good quality, for a cheap, outdated, low carbon by todays standards SS, and is commonly found in many production companies low end knife lines"

 

[Beyond You]

Good for you! I would like a strider but it's way too expensive for me. A recon 1 is fine for the price point. It can probably do 95 percent of what a strider can do at 1/4 the price. In my book a knife that is capable of 95 percent of a strider's capability is decent enough quality.

But you vote with your wallet, don't buy what you don't want.

PS: May I see pics of your collections?

I dont like Striders either lol :S Price points are important, specially these days. I wasnt bragging I saved and saved for some of mine, and if someone is happy with their cs theres nothin wrong with that, just arent for me.

Can do on the pics, but this threads not the spot

 

[philwar]

I had a question mark....I was asking a question....??

Not true. There is no question mark. You were stating it as fact, got caught telling a booboo, live with it.

Are you somewhat challenged in the comprehension department? See...another

question.
Catching you shows the opposite. Try backpedalling now.

D2 has been around for a while, is a high carbon, hard, brittle steel, it's not a good steel to be pounding on battoning, prying, etc. I know, I've tried it.

More BS. Again it all depends on the HT. Busse has used D2 for a long time without all the problems you mention, giving a lifetime warrant. Other makers get similar results.
Your foot is now so deep inside your mouth your big toe can see the light shining on the other side.

I still have no idea what point you are trying to make?

Talk about a reading comprehension problem. My point is (and others including Sal Glesser have made it too) that AUS8 is a fine steel, not or not significantly softer than (for example) VG-10. Heat treatment decides all.

Please stop before you make yourself immortally ridiculous.

 

[A.P.F.]

...Please stop before you make yourself immortally ridiculous.

Too late. But I have gotten some enjoyment of the display of sheer ignorance. If that guy is from Canada, he has to be from either Toronto or Edmonton.

 

[jules]

Don't group the rest of us Canadians with Hitzy. He's.....special.

My current favorite folder from CS is probably the Rajah series - try finding another knife comparable. And enough people have already beat on their Rajah I/II to know their AUS-8 is a tough mofo. I'm glad i got a Rajah I during their clearance.

 

[GrinderMcgee]

CS makes the big blades, and those are my favorite.

 

[Ankerson]

Talk about a reading comprehension problem. My point is (and others including Sal Glesser have made it too) that AUS8 is a fine steel, not or not significantly softer than (for example) VG-10. Heat treatment decides all.

That's very True.

Sal Glesser likely knows more about different steels than most so if he said AUS8 is good steel than it is.

 

[HandofCod]

I'd like to see a great diversity of knife shapes and utilities from CS and I'm really talking about fixed blades here.

I've been looking at some of the offerings from Ontarios Spec Plus genII series and I really dig the leave shape designs. If CS made one in 1095 or similar I'd buy one!

 

[Hitzy]

Not true. There is no question mark. You were stating it as fact, got caught telling a booboo, live with it.

question.
Catching you shows the opposite. Try backpedalling now.


More BS. Again it all depends on the HT. Busse has used D2 for a long time without all the problems you mention, giving a lifetime warrant. Other makers get similar results.
Your foot is now so deep inside your mouth your big toe can see the light shining on the other side.


Talk about a reading comprehension problem. My point is (and others including Sal Glesser have made it too) that AUS8 is a fine steel, not or not significantly softer than (for example) VG-10. Heat treatment decides all.

Please stop before you make yourself immortally ridiculous.

Great...another child on the internet that wants to argue.....:jerkit:

Originally Posted by Hitzy
Second being the high hardness of some of these new alloys. Can they take prying, hammering, droping, etc without chipping, cracking or breaking?

Sure looks like a question to me.

Sal's comment was:

There is a considerable difference in edge retention that can be noticed easily in longer term useage. Hitachi's ZDP has almost 3 times the carbon content of Aichi's AUS-8 and is generally 5 points higher on a Rockwell scale. (59 vs 64).

AUS-8 is a particularly homogenous steel so the grain structure will be as refined as the grain structure of powdered steels like ZDP or S30V. That means it will get as sharp as the powderd steels, just won't stay sharp as long.

fine grained steel....not FINE STEEL dumbass. Spyderco doesn't use AUS8 in anything anymore either.....does that tell you anything?

Never owned a Busse.....too pricey, but the D2 in quesiton that I chipped was Ontario D2. I like how you are telling me what I did with it and experienced didn't happen. I know Holland is pretty liberal with the drugs and all, but you really shouldn't get stoned and post on the internet.

Anyway, back on topic.....Cold Steel sucks, AUS-8 sucks, and butthurt CS fanboys really suck

 

[celebornen]

ive seen some cold steel knives that blew my mind, if you go to youtube and check their channel they test all their blades unlike other companies

 

[philwar]

Great...another child on the internet that wants to argue.....:jerkit:

Ooooh, a jerkit, how clever. But I am the child, right.

Sure looks like a question to me.

Liar. I showed you the proper quote.

fine grained steel....not FINE STEEL dumbass. Spyderco doesn't use AUS8 in anything anymore either.....does that tell you anything?

Reverting to namecalling... Signs of desperation.
Sal spelled out the hardness for ya. 59 Rockwell. How soft is that?

Never owned a Busse.....too pricey, but the D2 in quesiton that I chipped was Ontario D2. I like how you are telling me what I did with it and experienced didn't happen.

It's not surprising you misused a knife to such an extent that you broke it, there's no reason to assume your ignorance should be limited to knowledge of steel. But don't blame the manufacturer, that's low even for you.

Anyway, back on topic.....Cold Steel sucks, AUS-8 sucks, and butthurt CS fanboys really suck

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. You can't deny it is a well-founded and reasonable argument.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Right. This has gone on long enough. Cold Steel often bring out this kind of ChildishnesS. More talk about each other than about the knives.

Closed.