Commercial Airline EDC

If a ceramic credit card blade in your wallet is a concealed weapon, then what is a Sebenza in your pocket?

I always travel with a Surefire 6Z. A wooden walking stick isn't a bad idea either.
 
I don't know about where other people live, but the Sebenza (and other folders of the like) have a clip; and because they are clipped to your pocket are therefore not considered concealed weapon. Also, you won't be trying to take a Sebenza on an airplane at the moment will you? That ceramic knife in your wallet, if found by the TSA, is surely your ticket to an uncomfortable conversation with the FBI or local security. On a plane, anything of a knife-type persuasion is not cool these days, and anyone trying to fly with something "covert" is just kidding themselves or lucky to not get caught IMHO.

Sincerely,
Anthony
 
In some places, like in New York City, you are required to carry concealed. Concealed doesnt always equal illegal. I think what he mean is a ceramic knife in you wallet while trying to board a plane is a concealed weapon and a pretty serious offense. You wouldnt get away with an easy confiscation, and you probably would be taking a shorter trip to the local jail.
As for weapons on a plane, Ill stick to my hands, feet, elbows, etc... There is some use to empty hand fighting techniques after all :D I do however pack a minimag.
 
DO NOT CARRY ANYTHING SHARP ONTO AN AIRPLANE. You do NOT want to mess with the folks at TSA, FBI, and Homeland Security. They are not paid to be your buddy.

That said I just flew back to Brazil and had some kit in the carry-on. No sharps, just what I normally carry while traveling in the Two Thirds World.

Potable Aqua & 2 Liter platypus bag
Inova LED light
Bic Lighter
Wetfire tinder (looks like a breath mint in your personals)

The last time I flew I had a BSA hotspark on my keys and didn't think to remove it. It went through with scraper attached and they didn't say anything. Mac
 
-The small P38 will get confiscated (mine did)
-A metal fork will surely get confiscated
-Any multitool without blades or sharp tools will get confiscated (my little pliers on the key chain did)
-I also heard they are banning disposable lighters
-It was a mistake if they let fish hooks through

Take the train if your trip is less than 300 miles...
 
They will never find a ceramic knife because I keep my wallet in my pocket the entire time as it contains no metal to set off the metal detector. This does not mean that I suggest bringing a knife on board just that it wouldn't actually be that difficult.
 
I've been air-travelling 18 weeks a year for the last two years with a
Swiss Utili-key and an Inova X5 on my keychain, and have passed through TSA screening without problems. My steel toed oxfords have garnered more scrutiny than my EDC.

Be smart, be polite, be prepared to move smoothly through screening, and last but not least, have a self addressed stamped envelope in your briefcase to mail any items home if you're hassled by the TSA. Being prepared doesn't mean you have to surrender like the rest of the sheeple.


George
 
I carried a UtiliKey for a number of months after the increased security and it went through fine. Then a screener took a closer look and it was taken. Given that they aren't very much money, I bought several and it wasn't a big deal, but just because you have had it go through in the past doesn't mean it always will.

Now I always carry a Mini Bic with a zip tie, a custom rechargeable pocket flashlight and spare battery,BSA sparker and striker, and one of the Bison Gear whistles on a small split ring. A atube of vaseline based lip balm can be used as a firestarting aid in conjunction with the BSA.
 
rnpollard said:
If a ceramic credit card blade in your wallet is a concealed weapon, then what is a Sebenza in your pocket?

I always travel with a Surefire 6Z. A wooden walking stick isn't a bad idea either.
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Anything the TSA does not like the looks of, does not understand, or thinks you were trying to hide, may be declared by them a concealed weapon. They have the last word. Then you are in deep ****.
 
cardimon said:
Anything the TSA does not like the looks of, does not understand, or thinks you were trying to hide, may be declared by them a concealed weapon. They have the last word. Then you are in deep ****.
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Here's the deal. If you have any sharp object that the TSA can construe as a weapon they will then make a determination about your intent. This alone puts you at their mercy. If they decide that there was any attempt on your part to knowingly board an aircraft with a sharp object then that constitutes a FEDERAL violation. You do not have to actually use the item on the aircraft in a threatening manner, the violation is in the attempt to board with the item.

A ceramic knife blade in the wallet is a one-way ticket to a FEDERAL prison for a year. It is a prohibited item that you knowingly brought through the screening process. Once it is found you will be handcuffed, led through the airport and charged with carrying a concealed weapon at the State level. They will then charge you Federally for the airport security violation.

If you are lucky they will let you post bail the same day. Either way you will take a shower when you get to the city jail, that's the rules. If you don't post bail you will spend the night in jail with about 40 other guys.

While you are in the local jail the Homeland Security people and the FBI will come and talk to you in great detail. They will ask you all sorts of questions and dig into your past, your affiliations etc. They will REALLY want to know who you are any why for some unknown reason you attempted to board an aircraft with a weapon.

The airport will make a press release of the whole thing and your name and highschool yearbook photo will be on CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, & ABC news. Once you get out of jail they will all want to hear your story and if they don’t get it from you they will get it from your neighbor.

To retain a lawyer will cost you upwards of $3000 to face the State charge. The Federal charges will cost you more as that involves a different class of lawyer. Since you knew about the ceramic knife in your wallet and have no good explanation you will most likely loose. The penalty is up to a year in Federal prison and hefty fines.

I'm sorry if this bothers you. It is a fact. As far as I'm concerned, successfully removing all objects that violate TSA rules IS A SURVIVAL SKILL.

You may be confident you can pull one over on the TSA with a plastic knife or a ceramic blade well hidden. The fact that it is well hidden is all they need to prove intent. Understand that you are playing with your entire future to do so.

As someone who has been through the above scenario for having honestly forgotten an item I know whereof I speak. NO SHARPS ON PLANES! Mac
 
Two questions,
1. What is a P38?
2. Are there LED conversions for a 1AAA maglite? If so anyone have any links?
Thanks
Mike
 
Anything the TSA does not like the looks of, does not understand, or thinks you were trying to hide, may be declared by them a concealed weapon. They have the last word.
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The death of air travel? Maybe they want that

TLM
 
P38 is a military issued can opener. It is small, fits on a key chain and has a sharp point...hence why they get confiscated.
 
lumpymike1 said:
Two questions,
1. What is a P38?
2. Are there LED conversions for a 1AAA maglite? If so anyone have any links?
Thanks
Mike
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Ask around Jerzeedevil.com (look for Beau T) or Candlepowerforums.com.
 
I was merely responding to the post by rnpollard. I know the score.

I've been to jury duty recently. You empty out your pockets. The guards go through EVERYTHING, including your wallet. They flipped through the cash I had to make sure nothing was hidden between the bills. If that doesn't make you feel violated and insignificant, nothing will. It did, but they were very professional about it.

They opened up each of my several flashlights and inpected the batteries. They opened up my bottle of migraine meds and looked inside. They opened my lip balm and turned the screw to make the tube of balm go and down. They opened each of my pens and looked at the cartridges.

The only thing they did not open was the can of Coke I brought for lunch and my tuna fish sandwich. Everything else was opened, examined, and inspected, and in a thoroughly professional manner. I was pleased

As I told the guards afterward, if the TSA were as thorough as they were, I would not still be afraid to fly.

And yes, I'm still afraid to fly. Sad but true.
 
Carthage said:
...what would you make your airborne EDC?
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My wife loves "Lost." I simply can't move beyond the premise that anyone would survive such a crash. They happen to have a gun because there's a marshal on board. Someone has checked their knife collection so they access to knives. Very convenient. I accept that on TV. In real life everyone would be real dead, real fast.

But I digress. I was thinking, given the "normal" gear I carry, the non-pointy stuff the TSA would allow, what could I do with it?

Remember, no knives, no tweezers, no scissors. No sharps, no pointy things. Nothing the TSA doesn't like. Only TSA-friendly items.

I enjoy high-end ballpoint pens. What could I use them for? Digging, poking, prying, perhaps?

I also carry a credit-card-sized fresnel lens in my wallet. What could I use it for, other than for starting fires on sunny days, or seeing splinters?

I could carry a newspaper or magazine with me. If I roll it up, I then have a makeshift splint.

I carry a hard plastic comb. What could I use it for?

You get my drift. Anyone have other ideas?
 
Statistically, and I hope everyone acknolwedges this, you won't need to worry about what to carry in a plane crash because you'll unfortunately not survive. With respect to the discussion, there's a lot of things to consider.

In rare cases where people have survived an uncontrolled crash (Iowa, 1992, for example), they were well within a survivable, populated area. Help is minutes away. Crashes outside of these areas are almost always 100% fatal. Quite recently we had a crash in Africa, 2004 (someone check me on this), where one flight attendent survived in a far away mountain crash.

A former employer of mine conducted an extensive review of air crash survival practices. Incredibly, your number one priority in surviving an air crash is not being burned alive in the first few seconds. For that, the rules were to wear 100% cotton, wool, or other melt-retardant material, and keep your shoes on. One survivor of a crash*--who was tasked with preparing the analysis because of this**--suffered terrible burns because the elastic waistband of his underwear melted into his skin.

After dealing with the fire, your next priority is to escape the smoke. It's dense, black, and you're unable to see or breathe unless you're lucky enough to be near a gaping hole. The guy on the report team was near a hole, and he simply jumped through, falling quite a ways to the ground.

Then you should run as far from the plane as your legs can take you. That's quite an effort: after the bone jarring crash, they're charley-horsed and wracked in pain. But the plane will likely explode (this one apparently did), and spray flaming kerosene everywhere. This is why you'll never need a signal fire with a plane crash: it does it for you.

If you manage running away, your next priority is to deal with your injuries. He was so burned and battered by the crash that he didn't immediately notice the long and deep cuts on his bare arms from the shorn sheet metal. He effectively had to strip down to make bandages for himself, as well as get the smoldering underwear off.

The last thing he would advise us to worry about is what to carry, EDC or otherwise: and it's not a stretch to translate his ideas from commercial crash to a small charter or private plane. But quite honestly, I think his report was mostly to give people hope: because your odds aren't good of surviving the moment of impact (even low and slow crashes, like the 2000 Concorde crash was 100% fatal).

Thanks for letting me cheer everyone up! :footinmou

* He wasn't in the '92 crash, I don't think. We never found out what crash he crawled out of because he steadfastly refused to go into it.
** Nice eh? Good management thinking: "Hey, you were in a traumatic incident and barely escaped. Why not write us a nice little report so us senior management types can avoid this?"
 
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