compound or recurve or long

Show me a 60#, 30" draw traditional that will hit over 300fps with an overall length less than 36" with a 400 grain arrow. I like recurves too but don't fool yourself, there really is no comparison other than they shoot arrows with a string. Chris
 
when buying a recurve or longbow. I would stay away from EBAY or buying from an individual you dont know. The limbs could be cracked or twisted. Buy from a reputable dealer or your local shop
 
This is very entertaining but I am afraid I am going to respectfully bow out. One thing is painfully obvious, either I have no idea what you are talking about, or you have no idea what I am talking about.

I hope your quest for a quality handmade bow cheaper than a checkmate is successful. Chris
 
A recurve bow shot instinctively can be shot almost horizontally - you look, you draw, and the arrow hits where you looked. Try that with a compound bow. It doesn't need to be tuned like one of Lance Armstrong's racing bikes. Of course, the learning curve to shoot where you look, releasing the arrow as soon as you reach your draw takes a lot of practice. I used to fix 10 speeds when I was a kid, and the guys setting up the compound bows at the local Bass Pro Shop had more presses, vises, allen wrenches, and gizmos than most health clubs.
I mean the point of shooting an arrow is shooting an arrow. If you need a wheeled bow, you might as well get a crossbow. Shooting instinctively even improves your eyesight, and after you get the hang of it, is even kinda fun
 
Cheese and rice,

FLIX, why did I do this, it always turns into a pissing match between traditional and modern.

I have not shot a compound bow in at least 10 years. I shoot off the shelf with a checkmate hunter 1 with 62# black locust limbs, but I am not ignorant enough to not know the drawbacks of my prefered bow. Or so ignorant that I can't see the superior performance of modern technology.

So much for bowing out?:o
 
mack bowie said:
I mean the point of shooting an arrow is shooting an arrow. If you need a wheeled bow, you might as well get a crossbow.
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What's wrong with a crossbow? I guess I shouldn't have a scope on my rifles or adjustable sights for that matter.

You are not superior because you choose to do things differently, enjoy your way and leave people alone that choose other ways. I will never be so egotistical to think my way is the only right way. Chris
 
No pissing match intended. Owners of crossbows and laser-sighted sniper rifles can have pissing matches.
 
I used a longbow ages ago , loved it , graduated to crossbows , then rifles .. then I got a job , married , kids , house and cars ... life got in the way a while , now I have a stuffed shoulder , my shooters permit is about 10 yr out of date , and crossbows arent allowed in my state , so I use a 75 pound compound bow these days

cheapie chinese job off ebay , I dont know much about them , but it does OK .. I bought a whisker biskut arrow rest for it , use one pin on the sight , many hours relearning to shoot , a few broken arrows and a couple holes in the old car and shipping container that is the back stop for our target later

I can drop goats and pigs easy enough with it :)

I reckon that a compound bow is pretty dam good , all things considered :)

OTOH , in feild maintinence ? no can do , that is out of my league . I dont count on my bow as a survival tool , ATM its just for getting extra fresh meat when we want it , and shooting targets with the kids

I view a compound bow as a "soft" version of a "real" bow , but this is only my opinion .
 
DOC-CANADA said:
You're right about this but I think there is just as many wheel bow shooters with a holier-than-than-thou attitude. I think it's about time for us all to 'just get along'. :D

The reason I'm not particular to wheel bows (and I have shot them) is that, first of all I'm a primitive skills junkie and with the possible exception of a Penobscot (and not that it would be easy :( ), it is pretty difficult to make a compound bow in the bush, using what nature provides. Also, I like the idea of making my own strings, and restringing the bow without taking it to the local bow mechanic, although you may be talented enough to do this yourself.

In any case, use what works for you and enjoy!

Doc
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LOL! Doc, when I read your post I envisioned the Professor from Gilligan's island carving bow cams out of wood! :D I'm not completely paleo in my survival obsession, but that is what is driving my impulse to build a bow and arrows in the woods.

TemplarKnight21c said:
With enough horses, not much. Letoff doesn't really matter; I'm talking about performance.
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No. No matter how many horses you put in front of that buggy, it'll only go so fast. You'll just have to drive over that much more horseshit! You want to hunt with a recurve that somebody else made for you, great! Recurves have some advantages over a compound, such as speed of draw/fire process and field maintenance. They DO NOT perform just as well as a compound! They will never shoot as fast, with as much power, or send arrows as straight as a compound.

runningboar said:
This is very entertaining but I am afraid I am going to respectfully bow out. One thing is painfully obvious, either I have no idea what you are talking about, or you have no idea what I am talking about.

I hope your quest for a quality handmade bow cheaper than a checkmate is successful. Chris
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Chris, I just read his bio and saw that the good knight is 17 years old, so he DOES know everything!! :eek: You must bow to his inherent wisdom.

-- FLIX
 
My age has nothing to do with it, and trying to say that it does shows just how immature you are yourself. What is one thing all car ads mention? Horse power. Are you trying to say that horses don't have horse power? As to shooting straight; I've seen men (and women, for that matter) with recurves and longbows drilling the bull's eye 10 out of 10 times, over and over again. Take all the gizmos and gadgets off of a compound so they're on an even playing field, and see how they stand up. You can get just as much penetration with a traditional bow as with a compound; it's just a matter of draw weight/tension. The more tension in the bow, the faster it'll propel a projectile. Am I wrong?
 
FLIX said:
LOL! Doc, when I read your post I envisioned the Professor from Gilligan's island carving bow cams out of wood! :D I'm not completely paleo in my survival obsession, but that is what is driving my impulse to build a bow and arrows in the woods. -- FLIX
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Do it, FLIX. If you can stay awake through a whole McPherson video, you're ready to make a self bow :D . BTW, I mean no disrespect for John McPherson, who I actually respect quite a bit, it's just that he seems to have a solid understanding of monotone.:(

And in case there are forum members who aren't familiar with McPherson, he is one of the absolute best primitive skills practitioners out there, at least, of the well known ones. He has written a couple of books and made a few videos, and if any of them correspond with your interests, buy them!

The bow and a half that I've made so far, is by McPherson's method and it "do work". So, FLIX, give 'er hell, and post pictures.

Doc
 
TemplarKnight21c said:
Am I wrong?
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Yes, you are. What you're wrong about is that you're going to change anybody's mind, whether you're right or wrong. And who really gives a shit? Like you, I like self bows and am not particular about compounds. So, once again, who gives a shit?

Let's focus on learning from one another rather than having pissing contests.

Doc
 
I know I'm not going to change anybody's mind. But I'm not going to stop trying to prove a point either. I don't actually have anything against compound shooters; I just don't like the bows. They feel awkward. It is a futile effort, but so what? I have nothing better to do at 1:06 AM. And I tend to get rather insulted when people use my age as an excuse to call me stupid. Edit: For building a bow, try The Traditional Bowyer's Bible by Jim Hamm and that bunch.
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Yes, you are. What you're wrong about is that you're going to change anybody's mind, whether you're right or wrong. And who really gives a shit? Like you, I like self bows and am not particular about compounds. So, once again, who gives a shit?

Let's focus on learning from one another rather than having pissing contests.

Doc
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well said doc....:thumbup:

shoot "A" bow and have fun....:D
 
TemplarKnight21c said:
I know I'm not going to change anybody's mind. But I'm not going to stop trying to prove a point either. I don't actually have anything against compound shooters; I just don't like the bows. They feel awkward. It is a futile effort, but so what? I have nothing better to do at 1:06 AM. And I tend to get rather insulted when people use my age as an excuse to call me stupid. Edit: For building a bow, try The Traditional Bowyer's Bible by Jim Hamm and that bunch.
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You will note I didn't reference your age. But, I actually am glad to see a young man of your age being involved with archery and other survival related topics. As for Traditional Bowyer's Bible, Tim Baker was a regular at Paleo Planet (a forum I used to belong to, until the pissing contests became too much). Jim Hamm also would pop in from time to time. There is also a ton of knowledgable bowmakers on that forum (mostly refugees from Primitive Archer forum - I mean this in a good way)

As a possible matter of interest to you, I also have (besides TBB I, II, and III):

Cherokee Bows & Arrows, Al Herrin, White Bear Publishing, 1989, ISBN# 0-9623601-3-9

Making Indian Bows & Arrows - The Old Way, Douglas Wallentine, Eagle's View Publishing, 1988, ISBN# 0-943604-21-4

Archery - Steps To Success, Kathleen M. Haywood / Catherine F. Lewis, Leisure Press, 1989, ISBN# 0-88011-324-3

Bows & Arrows of the Native Americans, Jim Hamm, Lyons Press, 1989, ISBN#
1-55821-096-2

American Indian Archery, Reginald & Gladys Laubin, University of Oklahoma Press, 1980, ISBN# 0-8061-2387-7

The Bent Stick - Making & Using Wooden Hunting Bows, Paul Comstock, 1989, ISBN# N/A

Bowhunting Notes, Cambrian College of Applied Arts and Technology, 1977, ISBN#
N/A

Hunting With The Bow and Arrow, Saxton Pope

Instinctive Shooting, G. Fred Asbell, Self Published, 1988, ISBN# 936531-05-3

Prairie Wolf - NW#3, The Primitive Bow & Arrow, J & G McPherson, 1992

Secrets of the Omaha Bow - can't remember the author - it is a photocopy

I mention this only to impress upon you that I'm not recommending McPherson because it is the only resource I have. As far as having something better to do at 1:06 am, learn to make wooden arrows? :)

Doc
 
Touche, my good man, touche. Several of those books are on my 'to buy' list. The bent Stick, though, I have only found on one website. Money is kind of tight right now, until I find a job, then i'm going to grab up as money as I can. Being able to make my own equipment would be very nice, but I know my skills at such are severely lacking. I can make some halfway decent slings, though, and I have successfully knocked a 4" chunk of plastic out of a beach chair.
 
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