Concealed Carry Fixed Blade for defense

Rspaulding said:
Thanks for the info :) Looks like the BM-145 seems like a good knife. And the only reason I want the knife for is a backup piece anyway as the G23 is a nice tool but like any gun it can run out of bullets. And a knife never needs reloading
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My Mistake. I'm looking for a BM-145 but the knife I own is a BM-140. The 145 is not made any longer Rspaulding. Sorry to be so careless when replying.
 
The problem is although the denizens of Practical Tactical would make short work of the nonsense that's been posted in this thread, they are oriented toward tactics and not toward helping someone choose one knife over another. That's what the denizens of this forum are good at, and that's what the original poster asked for....
 
Grappler1911 said:
If someone grabs your weapon or weapon hand another "Clip" Magazine is useless.
If you ever needed to handcuff anyone while armed you would understand the need for weak side weapon.
The knife actually has many advantages over a second pistol as a retention weapon.
It has as much or more stopping power than any pistol.
It does take much more training but a trained man with a knife at contact distance is at an advantage over a pistol.
Basicly a pistol is a cordless drill that works at a distance.
Once the distance is gone it is at a disadvantage over a knife because of the limit of movement of the bullet coming out of the barrel.
A bullet only moves in a straight line.
A knife can cut 360 degrees.
The knife has great advantages when it come to weapon retention.
There is a leverage advantage against the man holding the pistol because you can grab the slide/barrel and jerk straight up breaking the wrist and finger of even the strongest and best trained man.
You can not grab a blade if you want to keep your fingers.
Against several opponents trying to disarm you a knife in a reverse grip is very hard to take away.
Once you've gained control of the direction of a pistols barrel it's easy to disarm.
If you know what you're doing you can disable the gun so even if the barrel gets pointed at you it won't fire,a weakness a knife doesn't have.

I'm not saying a knife is a better weapon,it's not.
Distance is a GREAT advantage.
Unfortunatly some jobs require you to deal with security risks at contact distance.
At this distance a knife can have an advantage over a pistol.

The brain is the weapon.
Everything else is a tool.
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Sorry I was just kind of thinking out loud on the computer:o
 
tirod3 said:
That's a misinterpretation of what I believe is trying to be communicated. It's Overwhelming Force to Kill the Assailant, no holds barred. This cannot be accomplished by cutting up someone's extremities, it requires shutting down their thought control and eliminating the ability to continue their attack. Up close with a knife, repeated stabbing about the neck to stop blood flow to the brain, followed by the eyes to stop their visual acquistion. Kill or be killed.

All the fancy training in knife combatives is useless when someone is inside your reach. The 21 foot rule is useless when the attack will still persist after mortal injury for the 45-90 seconds the heart still pumps. Shutting down the brain is paramount - cut off the flow of blood.

Experiments conducted by sniper rifle manufacturers proved the concept on live animals at ranges up to one mile. Neck shots were the most debilitating, and showed a much higher percent shutdown of motor response, more quickly. The principal is the same with the knife. In the Book of Five Rings, Mushashi is challenged to fight an opponent on an off shore island. He rowed to the beach, stepped out of the boat, and immediately ran at combat speed and slew him.

It's been said in another forum that if someone wants to train for knife combatives they need to run five miles and get kicked in the gonads as the match starts. I don't practice this, but I can inferentially deduce that fine motor skills and years of training will be of little help at that point, whereas Overwhelming Force will offer the better course of action. What kind of knife you use is almost incidental.

Food for thought . . .
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Thus speaks a TRUE armchair master...:jerkit:
 
Jared Stenoien said:
Thus speaks a TRUE armchair master...:jerkit:
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This comment and the smiley after it add NO information to the thread, only a personal insult to the poster quoted.

As this is not Whine & Cheese, editing it out would improve the discussion significantly.
 
Finally Grappler 1911 brings up what I think is the most salient point here. The knife is an adjunct to the pistol when you're in physical contact with an assailant. If you are grabbed by surprise you may not be able to reach, or point, your pistol. At this range, weapon retention is critical and always in doubt (think about what the all-too-common combination of adrenaline, meth, and alcohol can do to an opponent's grip strength) and an off-side edged weapon might save the day. For me the off-side weapon is a belt-mounted Hideaway Knife. A bigger knife held in reverse grip would be even better, but for me the HAK wins, due to its combination of compactness and near-invisibility.
 
spyder10 said:
Sorry I was just kind of thinking out loud on the computer:o
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Hi Spyder, no problem here with me. I'm listening (reading) intently. I've been permanently disabled for 4 years now and any suggestion for a good knife as was the original question or any tip that might help me survive an attack is wholeheartedly welcomed! The two are hand-in-hand to me. Thanks!

Hi Coop, I read your post as well and appreciate your post also! Thank you as well, sir. I'll sure keep your kind advice well to mind!

The right knife, concealed carefully in an advantageous, easy to deploy location would appear to be a lightning-quick response to a threat when it's up close and personal. The attacker probably wouldn't expect this from a disabled fellow like me or even an able-bodied person. For "Hurricane Season" it would seem a small concealable fixed blade would be optimal but my experiences have been with pistols and not knives; so far be it for me to advise. BTW, I just got my b'day package in the mail yesterday; a Dark Ops full stilleto w/ a partly serrated 4.5" edge. I'll carry it, my Glock and my Kershaw Blur and hopefully this will do for me.

Regards,
darkop

Regards,
darkop
 
You're right. And you may be at more risk as a disabled person. Predators tend to seek those who will cause them the least trouble. Bite back hard and with conviction ;)

Self defense is natural and correct, and if more criminals got hurt violating people, they would learn something. We live in a society where self defense is often seen as immoral (at least where I live).

The gooid news is that you can never have too many knives. You can carry what you like on any given day and you can carry multiple knives if the situation allows. Whatever you choose to carry, keep it handy and keep it sharp.

I tend to think folders are more practical. I usually carry and endura or caly jr. Somethimes I carry my ronin or rat 3, but truthfully, they are too big to be comfortable for me. I would love to live in a jurisdiction that allowed me to carry my sog seal on my leg, but I digress. DC is the pit of the earth for a reason and it is my fault I live here.

I was always a gun person until I found this forum not too long ago. I really thought getting into knives was cheesy. Kinda like some people are into watches. But I have to say, I've bought more knives in the past 6 months than I've ever owned. And to be honest, with the exception of my duty weapon, all my other stuff has been shipped out for long term storage.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to carry and keep us posted.

Best

-Coop
 
Grappler, good points, it summarizes the scenario better.

As a retired armchair master of combat, I appreciate the drift this thread has taken. Salient points: Any knife will do - the wide variety of suggestions that come up every time the question is asked points that out. CQB training: few use it, very few need it, although there seem to be plenty of posters who worry about it, comment on it, and question the qualifications of others with no attempt to post their own.

SD with a knife is two parts - acknowledging the limitations, taking advantage of the opponent's.

As a former Infantry soldier and MP on active duty, please be specific in your criticism outlining what was wrong with my advice. I am only a student of the art, willing to share information, and those who can look past my obvious exuberance on the subject can certainly get my ear.

Revelant experience is always helpful.
 
tirod3,

The sad truth is that I, and I speak only for myself, don't have what I would consider the adequate skills and experience of knife fighting. I have knowledge and experience with basic hand to hand that I have learned as a LEO, but nothing with knives or advanced training.

My expertise is with a handgun... all kinds of training there.

I would like to learn and understand the basics of fighting with a knife and if I can pull my resources together and take a class I would really like that.

Like many things, we want to emphasize training and second nature, even if we ourselves don't have any. Why? Maybe it's because some of us are experts in avoidance behaviors and really don't want to face the challenge. It can be intimidating to show up to a class for the first time. I remember my first trip to the range :o

This thread had made me think and I believe I really need to spend more time on preparation than product. Even though it's way more fun to talk about knives than it is a training exercise.

Best

-Coop
 
dcpopo said:
You're right. And you may be at more risk as a disabled person. Predators tend to seek those who will cause them the least trouble. Bite back hard and with conviction ;)

Self defense is natural and correct, and if more criminals got hurt violating people, they would learn something. We live in a society where self defense is often seen as immoral (at least where I live).

The gooid news is that you can never have too many knives. You can carry what you like on any given day and you can carry multiple knives if the situation allows. Whatever you choose to carry, keep it handy and keep it sharp.

I tend to think folders are more practical. I usually carry and endura or caly jr. Somethimes I carry my ronin or rat 3, but truthfully, they are too big to be comfortable for me. I would love to live in a jurisdiction that allowed me to carry my sog seal on my leg, but I digress. DC is the pit of the earth for a reason and it is my fault I live here.

I was always a gun person until I found this forum not too long ago. I really thought getting into knives was cheesy. Kinda like some people are into watches. But I have to say, I've bought more knives in the past 6 months than I've ever owned. And to be honest, with the exception of my duty weapon, all my other stuff has been shipped out for long term storage.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to carry and keep us posted.

Best

-Coop
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A disabled person is in the perfect position to use an advanced technique called a mind hit.
A mind hit is something that will force the bad guy's brain to process information causing a reaction time lag.

In anti Terrorist training we used a mind hit that enabled a reaction time delay in hostage situations.
You shout "don't shoot" while you double tap into the bad guys head.
This causes a longer reaction time lag than normal.
The brain must process the statement and reaction is slower than action anyway.
So you gain a second or so.
Enough time to shut someone off before their brain can tell their finger to pull the trigger.

Remember,action is faster than reaction.
Hesitation kills.
No quarter for scum that prey on the handicapped.
Use your weaknesses.
Pretend to be an unarmed sheep and turn into a werewolf.
No one should know you're armed until they're dying.
If using a knife it should be felt before it's ever seen.
You'll be doing the world a favor taking them out of the system.
The only rule in self defence is to stop him before he kills you.
You can let the lawers battle it out latter.
Worrying about getting sued or in trouble get lots of people killed.
 
Hi fellows,

I really appreciate the words of advice from all of you! It gives me hope that I can still protect my wife and family although I'm disabled. That means a lot to a man as you all know.

I've always heard that a quick action was the best way to go. Getting the drop on the bad guys any way you can will make the difference between getting beat up or killed.

With todays violent society and number of violent attacks, I'm listening and learning all I can from you all. And I'm thinking of getting me a plan, some sort of plan and practice it til I get in better form mentally and physically. (best I can, physically of course)

You fellows are great here and I appreciate it much!

Cheers,
darkop
 
darkop,

I absolutely agree that you have a right (and a responsibility) to defend yourself and your family, and it seems that the way you're going about it is thoughtful.

That said, I would note that "today's violet society" is, in large measure, a myth. The rates of violent crimes in the United States are at or near their all time lows. Depending on where you live, and what you do, the U.S. really is a pretty safe place to live, and it's a pretty safe time to live here. If your living situation is putting you in genuine peril, the first thing to do is to change your situation. Prevention is the first, and most reliable, line of defense.

If they still come after you, may you surprise them!
 
spinynorman said:
darkop,

I absolutely agree that you have a right (and a responsibility) to defend yourself and your family, and it seems that the way you're going about it is thoughtful.

That said, I would note that "today's violet society" is, in large measure, a myth. The rates of violent crimes in the United States are at or near their all time lows. Depending on where you live, and what you do, the U.S. really is a pretty safe place to live, and it's a pretty safe time to live here. If your living situation is putting you in genuine peril, the first thing to do is to change your situation. Prevention is the first, and most reliable, line of defense.

If they still come after you, may you surprise them!
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Hi spinynorman,

Yes, I've checked and you are right about the stats on crime here in the south. Most likely it is the media attention to crime which has people scared-up a tad.

I also agree that prevention is the best thought and primary defense line. That would be my first response; to try and prevent anything from happening.

And I like that: "may you surprise them." They might get a surprise from me if I got scared enough! LOL You've probably heard that a scared fellow will hurt you quicker than a bad guy? :-) LOL

Cheers,
darkop
 
I would say to look at the MBC curriculum. Cutting muscle tissue, and ligaments shuts down the parts of the body that are doing the attacking. People get stabbed multiple times in the neck and still stand a good minute before passing out, but if the muscle isn't there to read the brains signals... Also under stress this makes sense because you are going to slash at whatever the attacker reaches for you with simply out of instinct.
 
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