Condor Axes: any reviews?

i just dont understand what all the arguing is about here. im a straight up noob to this thread and the hobby of edged tools. ive never seen used or touched a condor item in my life. however coloradowildman, i personally think just coming in here and throwing mud (wether it be true or false) and chucking accusations at poeple is very rude. im not saying your not entitle to your opinion, you are, that what this country was founded on. i just think that the way you are going about this is rather rude. i dont mean to offende anyone, and im not trying to stifle anyones freedom of speech or anything im just trying to point out that both side of this pointless argument are being kinda rude to each other.

this thread was started with a seemingly honest and innocent question, i dont understand how it got so far off course. this joe gave his opinion to the OP asking a question, how and why this upset you so much coloradowildman i have no idea.

im not saying that coloradowildman should be ban, id never say that in a million years, everyone is entitled to an outburst now and again. however sir, please check your attitude, that goes for both sides

once again i want it known, i am not defending anyone, i am not endorsing anyones product, this post is strictly to point out the puerile behavior that is coming from whom i assume to grownmen that should all know better.

thank you for your time
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
I would say that they DO have an overall good reputation, just with a caveat emptor thrown in. You have a decent chance of getting a low cost, high value item, especially if you're willing to put a little elbow grease into it. That being said, you also run the risk of getting a lemon, and that chance is higher than with other companies. Fortunately if you do end up with one you'll be well taken care of by their CS department, but it still is an extra step in the process that most would prefer to avoid.
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I think you put it very well. The moment I put up a comment on another forum that I was not happy with the knife I got, I was contacted by Joe, who offered to make it right.
 
paleosteveo said:
i just dont understand what all the arguing is about here. im a straight up noob to this thread and the hobby of edged tools. ive never seen used or touched a condor item in my life. however coloradowildman, i personally think just coming in here and throwing mud (wether it be true or false) and chucking accusations at poeple is very rude. im not saying your not entitle to your opinion, you are, that what this country was founded on. i just think that the way you are going about this is rather rude. i dont mean to offende anyone, and im not trying to stifle anyones freedom of speech or anything im just trying to point out that both side of this pointless argument are being kinda rude to each other.

this thread was started with a seemingly honest and innocent question, i dont understand how it got so far off course. this joe gave his opinion to the OP asking a question, how and why this upset you so much coloradowildman i have no idea.

im not saying that coloradowildman should be ban, id never say that in a million years, everyone is entitled to an outburst now and again. however sir, please check your attitude, that goes for both sides

once again i want it known, i am not defending anyone, i am not endorsing anyones product, this post is strictly to point out the puerile behavior that is coming from whom i assume to grownmen that should all know better.

thank you for your time
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I think the issue that started the fighting was that Joe, a person who works for Condor in some capacity put up a post endorsing the company. Some people felt that he did not sufficiently disclose his connection to Condor before making the post, endorsing their products. People then lined up on each side and started throwing mud. I don’t think coloradowildman deserves any special recognition when it comes to the mudslinging. There are plenty of others whose conduct was even less polite.
 
cody1 said:
That's is the issue people are bringing up. He is entitled to his opinion, which he stated he was presenting. Just like you-BR Name calling is not nessesary.

Condor is making huge efforts to produce good products for great prices. They succeed and with Joe's imput they are keeping up with industry desires. Only downside to condor is that they are not an American Company. I like to buy USA, but will buy others. I would encourage Joe to recommend they take the 1055 in the axe up to 56-57RC. IMO 50 is too low. But as a stated opinion he is welcome to dismiss it. And I'm sure he will.
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Thanks Cody. I've never personally insulted Joe or anyone around here, but Condor is a company and Joe is part of that, and I have every right to bring up what I feel are company-related quality issues, marketing ethics, and forum rules regarding that practice. I'm sure I've treaded on some folks territory here, but some of the responses I've seen from some of the forum members are way out of line and inappropriate. I've also contributed quite a bit of information and reviews\pics since joining, so I find the "Troll" comment very amusing to say the least. I guess no good deed goes unpunished when it comes to sharing and contributing around here?

One other thing- I find it very interesting that folks who legitimately bashed Gerber and Bear Grylls over the low quality of the new Gerber Bear Grylls survival knife on this forum and at Bushcraft USA never got personally attacked, thrashed and insulted like I'm getting, so I'll let others be the judge of that one.
 
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rg598 said:
I think the issue that started the fighting was that Joe, a person who works for Condor in some capacity put up a post endorsing the company. Some people felt that he did not sufficiently disclose his connection to Condor before making the post, endorsing their products. People then lined up on each side and started throwing mud. I don’t think coloradowildman deserves any special recognition when it comes to the mudslinging. There are plenty of others whose conduct was even less polite.
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I agree. I did not see wild man name calling, yet he was called a troll. He is entitled to think that the designer coming on to promote the product is a bit of a conflict of interest. Joe makes it clear he is the designer, but as the designer, are his comments unbiased. I think that is the point being made. Wildmans point about building a rep is simple. Does a designer from GB need to come and talk about their axes? No. The quality has spoken for itself, over the years.

As far as the product being great, with additional elbow grease. That is not how they are advertised. I have not seen any ad copy that says people will need to regrind the knife, or the handle. Yet many, many do. So, leaving the factory in that state is not acceptable. No matter how cheap they are. Products need to match the ad copy, not be replaced if someone asks. That makes people think that they are playing a numbers game. Most people won't go to the trouble of sending in a badly finished cheap knife. So, it ends up being a waste of money. That is his point!

Seems like Joe's has his crew and they will arduously defend him. Which speaks to Joe's person-ability, but not to the quality leaving the condor factory. Forums have become the new selling model for many companies. They are in many ways a sunshine pump for the company. If you have been on the forums, this or another, for any length of time, it is easy to see how companies are now using them as their main promotional outlet.

Everyone got a bit overheated, but I don't see the complexity here. Simple points being made. Delivery is always an issue when you are not face to face.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
coloradowildman--how about addressing the points I and others have made rather than insulting folks. It might help your case rather than hurt it. ;)
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Fortytwo, aside from me answering a personal insult from Stabman saying that I was "raging", I have not personally insulted anyone here. I have indeed answered and then asked again about issues regarding Condor, it's products, and forum members with Condor connections marketing behavior here on the forums.

All the personal attacks on me here reflect on Condor and Condor supporters, so if that's what you guys want the message to be then so be it. I'm just a consumer and forum member raising issues that I think are legitimate, and if this is what makes some people dislike me here then I'm sorry for them. A high level of defensiveness says more than anything about this mates ;)
 
coloradowildman said:
Fortytwo, aside from me answering a personal insult from Stabman saying that I was "raging", I have not personally insulted anyone here. I have indeed answered and then asked again about issues regarding Condor, it's products, and forum members with Condor connections marketing behavior here on the forums.

All the personal attacks on me here reflect on Condor and Condor supporters, so if that's what you guys want the message to be then so be it. I'm just a consumer and forum member raising issues that I think are legitimate, and if this is what makes some people dislike me here then I'm sorry for them. A high level of defensiveness says more than anything about this mates ;)
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I was referencing your response to Stabman, so I know what your were saying to whom. My point was that out of the various points made in rebuttal, you chose to respond to insult with insult rather than ignore it and carry your argument forward by focusing on the issues. If anything I was merely trying to offer some friendly debate tactic advice. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I welcome yours. I just happen to respectfully disagree with you. :):thumbup:
 
rg598 said:
I think the issue that started the fighting was that Joe, a person who works for Condor in some capacity put up a post endorsing the company. Some people felt that he did not sufficiently disclose his connection to Condor before making the post, endorsing their products. People then lined up on each side and started throwing mud. I don’t think coloradowildman deserves any special recognition when it comes to the mudslinging. There are plenty of others whose conduct was even less polite.
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Thanks Ross, appreciate that. Really enjoy your axe reviews so keep em coming!
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
I was referencing your response to Stabman, so I know what your were saying to whom. My point was that out of the various points made in rebuttal, you chose to respond to insult with insult rather than ignore it and carry your argument forward by focusing on the issues. If anything I was merely trying to offer some friendly debate tactic advice. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I welcome yours. I just happen to respectfully disagree with you. :):thumbup:
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FortyTwo, I understand what you're saying, but I guess I'm a bit "old school" in that had someone said that to me in person, I would have not taken it sitting down and stood up to a ridiculous comment like that. That said, I have no wish to continue arguing over it, and as such haven't responded to all the other ridiculous and immature personal insults here. I would hope that some of those folks aren't vendors or respected forum members here, because they just blew their reputations by going that low. I truly enjoy this forum and don't plan to go anywhere soon, and will also continue to contribute as well and I would hope that those whose decided to trash talk will rethink their strategy next time.

EDITED TO ADD: I just reread all my posts and noticed that I addressed everyone as "mate" (in Canadian style) or in Joe's case as "friend". I even addressed Stabman as "mate" after his post about my "pointless rage". I'll let this speak for itself.
 
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coloradowildman said:
FortyTwo, I understand what you're saying, but I guess I'm a bit "old school" in that had someone said that to me in person, I would have not taken it sitting down and stood up to a ridiculous comment like that. That said, I have no wish to continue arguing over it, and as such haven't responded to all the other ridiculous and immature personal insults here. I would hope that some of those folks aren't vendors or respected forum members here, because they just blew their reputations by going that low. I truly enjoy this forum and don't plan to go anywhere soon, and will also continue to contribute as well and I would hope that those whose decided to trash talk will rethink their strategy next time.
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I would hope so also. The free exchange of ideas that debate brings (it's not called a forum for nothing!) fully disintegrates once things get personal. :o Like I said, I disagree with your stance on this issue, but I'll be the last person to ever sling mud as a result of it. As the saying goes "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ;):thumbup:
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
I would hope so also. The free exchange of ideas that debate brings (it's not called a forum for nothing!) fully disintegrates once things get personal. :o Like I said, I disagree with your stance on this issue, but I'll be the last person to ever sling mud as a result of it. As the saying goes "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ;):thumbup:
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We agree to disagree and I respect what you said, thanks.
 
stabman said:
The machetes are their only product I have experience with, and they are good. It surprises me that they'd do a poor job on the axes, but not all companies do as great a job on all their products, that's true.

Just a question though: I understand that fit/finish can be seen by looking at the product, but how would you be able to discern edge retention, or shock resistance and such things without trying it out at least a bit?
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If we can keep this civil I'm happy to respond....

To be specific, all the axes had sideways grained handles, terrible alignment, and dull edges with very thick and improper ground profiles. Edge retention and shock resistance wouldn't matter much with these glaring issues.
 
coloradowildman said:
If we can keep this civil I'm happy to respond....

To be specific, all the axes had sideways grained handles, terrible alignment, and dull edges with very thick and improper ground profiles. Edge retention and shock resistance wouldn't matter much with these glaring issues.
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Grain going the wrong way would be a deal breaker (and a handle breaker). I wonder if they've addressed that issue since or not?
Overly thick edge grinds aren't cool either.
I'm glad they got it right with the machetes!

coloradowildman said:
Maybe it's a regional thing, because I heard both where I stayed for a while.
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There are some regional differences for sure, especially if you compare far east with far west (or Quebec obviously:D).
 
Bare Rib said:
Whom are all of these affiliates that you speak of? The only person I know affiliated with Condor is Joe & he has always been up front about that. I have seen plenty of positive reviews by paying customers however myself included.



Hell your a lucky man if you have a "Big Box Store" that carries Condor stuff I would like to know the name of the store so I can contact them about ordering some stuff. However all of the prices you listed are high for what I've seen usually only around the mid to low 20s for knives and 40 some for an axe.

Lastly, the way you are going on about this I'm starting to think you "sir" have ulterior motives. I'm wondering maybe who you work for or are associated with. This is just seeming like a poor attempt at a smear campaign to me.
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No ulterior motives, as I'm just a regular forum member with no ties to anyone. I like axes by anyone as long as it's quality, so I have no reason to run a smear campaign. Trust me, if Condor was making great axes at a reasonable price I would buy one in a heartbeat.

As for the big box store, not sure where you live but it's Sportsman's Warehouse. They have a load of these with sideways grained handles, dull thick edges, and bad alignment and I'm sure they would love for you to come and buy them all ;)
 
stabman said:
Grain going the wrong way would be a deal breaker (and a handle breaker). I wonder if they've addressed that issue since or not?
Overly thick edge grinds aren't cool either.
I'm glad they got it right with the machetes!
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From what I understand from their major 2011 overhaul with their axes they have. Guess we'll find out! :p
 
From what i've seen it looks like their has been a real step up in condor quality this year. I think it is at least partially because Joe has listened to some of the complaints on the forums and addressed them with Condor so great job for that:thumbup:. They also have some new product that look great along with their revamped axes.
 
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