Convincing "Her" I should go full time.... How should it be done?

you're a degreed and licensed EE with experience and can't find work? what field? computers, power, controls, etc. what industry? defense, power, nuke, construction, consulting, etc.
I have headhunters contacting me weekly... (I have 2 offers on the table right now)
you must be in the wrong place...

The way I did it was to get laid off (May 1, 2009) and have no realworld possibility of becoming gainfully employed anytime soon. (Electrical Engineer).

Honesty alert, please don't be offended: Your knives look good to me, but your prices look low. I saw a gorgeous fighter with a 6" blade for $150 with the option of a leather sheath for an additional $25. This is a problem. It means you're under-valueing your time, and not getting paid much for your labor. Makers do this because they're scared they arent going to sell knives at the proper pricepoint. This isn't something you want to overcome when you're full time, and depend on sales. What you've done is skew demand for your work by pricing your labor rate at poverty. Price the knives what they're worth before making the decision to go full time. Then make the judgement based on demand at that pricepoint.

If you go full time and fail, your wife won't let you try it again. Do it right the first time.

All of this is only my opinion, and worth exactly nothing.
 
I have no interest in going back to EE work. I absolutely love what I do now.
 
I've never really understood why people want to take something they enjoy and make a job out of it.

Funny, I've never understood why so many people piss away their lives doing work they hate for people they despise.
 
Another thing to keep in mind though. When I'm on this forum, I make 0 dollars.

Some of you folks are being paid, while on this forum.:D
 
Being debt free has been the number one thing that made it possible for me.
BINGO!!!

And to echo what Don said, TOTALLY DEBT FREE. I have watched people try to go full time who said they were "debt free"...but they still had car payments, home loans, etc. That isn't "debt free"....your still required to produce a given amount of $$$ per month. Therein lies the trap of becoming a full time maker.....if you must count on bringing in X amount of dollars in each month, where the sales are so up and down month to month, the anxiety sets in, you worry about selling X number of knives to achieve that needed dollar figure, and all the pressure makes the joy of it fly right out the window.

What it takes is a different mentality than we as Americans are accustom to.....rather than getting whatever we want/need "right now", by using credit or loans, you must plan ahead and save the funds until you can acquire what you need/want. An example: Recently I purchased a new 2011 Ford F150..... I saved for over 5 years, and paid it in full when I picked it up from the dealership. The only thing I have to worry about now is insurance and tags yearly. Before I had the money saved up, my Mrs. and I talked about how, if I were to get a new truck before we had all the money saved, the monthly payments would have to come out of the shop....even with 3/4 of the cost down, then payments would still have been over $300 per month! The problem with that is, some months I will sell 10X that amount of knives, and other times I will go 2-3 months without reaching that amount....see what I mean?

If I had to pay my own health insurance, house payment, and all the monthly bills strictly from the shop, there would be no way it could happen. I'd be a nervous wreck all the time, and would likely look at knifemaking as a curse, rather than the blessing it currently is.
Obviously it can be done successfully on a full time basis, but it requires constant planning, proper execution, and a different mentality than most are accustom to living with. The up side is that once you change your "money mentality" and live with it for a while, you look at the way most Americans live, and can't figure out why they do that to themselves....in debt all the time, and working to just pay the interest charges:jerkit:

For me it was all about planning...which started at about the 10 year mark of my military career. That was when I realized that I would be eligible to retire in just 10 more years, and if I played my cards right, I would be able to fulfill my dream of doing this full time. With about 5 years left, we started paying EVERYTHING off, and making the plans. It took a couple more years than we planned for, but I literally took off my uniform one day, and the next day put on my jeans and boots, and walked into my shop as a full time maker. The shop was already completely setup, with all the needed tools and supplies, and so my "dream" became reality. After nearly 10 years now, I still get up each morning, excited about going to the shop. I attribute that mostly to the fact that I don't shoulder that daily pressure to produce a set dollar figure every day.
The moral of the story is that yes, you can be successful as a full time maker, but it won't come without a lot of planning, some sacrifices, and a changing of your economic mentality.

Now, like Don said.....I've not made any money for the past 1/2 hour I've spent on the forums typing this! Back to work! :D
 
I don't believe there's a more stressful endeavor than marketing something you put your heart and soul into. It's definitely not like selling cars. You are putting yourself up for sale, in a fashion; not everyone is suited to the task.

Just a thought, Fred
 
Right, Ed. That would be 'totally debt free'. I drive used trucks and pay cash. Bought the wife a new car 3 years ago, and like you, saved and paid in full. My wife actually work for Sunfish Forge and draws a salary.:) Our cost of living is so low, there really isn't much stress here.
 
We have no car payment, and very little credit card debt, but a big fat mortgage. Probably wouldn't do that again, but then again, without it there wouldn't be a whole basement level shop either. My wife has a great career and gets our healthcare there. If I had to afford healthcare, it would be quite a struggle. Still, I love doing this, and won't put up with engineering work ever again God willing.

(Antennas, btw.)
 
Completely agree. If you hate your job or your employer, make a change.

So your original point about "turning something you love into a job" is moot. Other than pure survival, and I bet most of us have been there, why would a person work at something they didn't enjoy?!? Life is way too short and there's more than one way to measure success. If a person measures it in BMWs and McMansions, knifemaking probably isn't the way to go.
 
So your original point about "turning something you love into a job" is moot. Other than pure survival, and I bet most of us have been there, why would a person work at something they didn't enjoy?!? Life is way too short and there's more than one way to measure success. If a person measures it in BMWs and McMansions, knifemaking probably isn't the way to go.

I did not suggest you should work at something you don't enjoy.

Let's approach this from another angle. If you are married, I'll assume you love your wife. Would you like working for her? Taking orders from her? How would that change your relationship with her?

Making something your career sucks some of the love and joy out of it.

I love computers. I have worked for computer companies since the 1980s. I have enjoyed building computers for myself since the 1980s. For a while, I tried building them and supporting them for my family and friends. It sucked ALL the joy out of making computers. For several years I simply refused to do it. Only about a year ago did I get back into it (for myself only).

You can disregard my warning if you like, or dismiss it as moot. Just offering an opinion here. YMMV.

- Greg
 
Think Andy (Fiddleback) hit it on the head my blades are under priced and way too low to survive... She would kill me!
Few others had some good points The "Be honest and Run Hard numbers" makes the most sense.
But so does: Try it!
Perhaps a Reverse of logic may work: Make a decent batch of my best sellers... Then_ find places to sell them.
More than one way to Skin a cat!
 
Greg, I think I took your comment too literally. No offense intended.
 
Think Andy (Fiddleback) hit it on the head my blades are under priced and way too low to survive... She would kill me!
Few others had some good points The "Be honest and Run Hard numbers" makes the most sense.
But so does: Try it!
Perhaps a Reverse of logic may work: Make a decent batch of my best sellers... Then_ find places to sell them.
More than one way to Skin a cat!

Thats the ticket. I'm glad you didn't get offended. Work your prices up, then make a decision based on self sufficiency. Your work looks great to me. Its the most rewarding thing I've ever done.
 
I think the key to your OP is not to have to convince her.... but be in a position where she's trying to convince you it's what you should pursue. I personally feel that if you don't have that kind of support going into it, then there's no way it would work.
 
When I first started making knives the hounds of hell couldnt have stopped me from going full time. Now it takes those same hounds to get my ass in the shop every morning.

If its your passion you WILL do it. One of the hardest things for me is to KEEP THAT PASSION, meaning that when I first started making knives I would literally dream about what handle I was going to put on a certain blade. I would go to sleep with anticipation of finishing the knife I had epoxied together the night before etc.

Going full time changes alot of that, I think it was Tim Zowada who told me years ago the quickest way to ruin a very fun and rewarding hobby was to go full time and make it a job. To some degree he was correct, I am constantly trying to find new ways to spark that same desire I had years ago... and its tricky, for me a large part is to make the best performing knife I can, at what I consider the best price point in the market.

I find reward in getting feed back from folks that get out and really use my knives, to me this is just as , if not more rewarding then that perfect guard fit (which constantly eludes me) or that crazy hamon etc.

Finding your niche is important in selling knives, especially now that everyone with a garage is a knife maker.
 
I think it takes a special persone to be able to do something they love as a full time job. Not everyone can do it. Not everyone will continue to love it. But There are some people that can do it and still love it as they are doing it.

I don't know if I am one of those people yet. My wife has dreams of me being able to go full time into what I love, but I am not ready yet. I know it and she knows too .... I think. If the day ever does come I will jump in and give it all I got. Untill then I will stand on the sidelines making knives when I can find the time.
 
the way I look at it, if you're making enough cash doing it part time then she should need no convincing after you crunch the numbers, time vs. cashflow..

if your knives are flying off the shelf and there's a supply/demand issue because you just can't keep up with orders and your day job then go for it, again she should need no convincing, if the numbers aren't there, then you better keep your job and keep her happy.. :D
 
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